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03-14-2013 , 07:58 PM
deal gregorio. I am down there more often than you think. just not much lately. I'll let you know next time.
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03-14-2013 , 08:20 PM
As a vegetarian for mainly ethical reasons, I can say that eating fish, especially oysters and things like that, is definitely much less frowned upon, by me at least. The reasons stated earlier are very valid. Basically, they have no central nervous system, probably do not percieve pain in the same way as mammals do, and they don't seem to have emotions on the same level as the higher developed animals.

It's all baby steps anyways. I went vegetarian for years before becoming vegan. Even if you eat ONE less piece of meat per week, that's still contributing, and you should try it! Every little bit helps reduce suffering.

I can look in my dog's eyes and know she feels emotions. Now, pigs are smarter than dogs. So why are they treated like the lowest of the low? In the wild, pigs defecate FAR from where they live, and eat. However, in captivitity, they are forced to live in their own filth.

This is such a good analogy for what is actually done to us, humans. We live in our own filth, figuratively, because America is turning to garbage, the girls are all whores, which is the farthest thing from what women should be (selective), and the guys are all whiny little bitch-boys (instead of real men of action) because the media has programmed them to act, speak, and take on the appearance of Justin Beiber so they can GET the women. And then when they do get with them, they can't even satisfy them! Does Justin Beiber look like he could satisfy a woman? Lol. Then the women all turn into lesbians because they're fed up with it and the men are already so effeminated, they turn gay. Boom, population controlled.

Pigs are probably the most similar animals to humans. I know common knowledge says it would be monkeys, but pigs actually are more similar than us, for several reasons. The pink skin, sparse body hair, the way they bond mother to piglet. Just on looks alone they are very similar to us, and social structure is similar as well (they are not herd animals, like cows). Now, of all the major religions, some are vegetarian and some aren't, but the most forbidden animal of all, is the pig. This is remnants of deep wisdom, though the reasons are forgotten, the intelligent still follow it.

The analogy here being, we (the goyim, or cattle) are like the pig to the people in power. You got people listening to conspiracy radio, which is mostly nutjobs, and saying "They're trying to control the population and put us in FEMA camps! The New World Order is wrong. ITS WRONG I TELL YA!" And then 5 seconds later, "Hey honey, will you pass me another pork chop? And give a hot dog to this little girl here. PEDOPHELIA IS WRONG! ITS WRONG!!!!"

Who are we to complain about what those in power do to us, when we treat those below us the same as they treat us? We give up our right to complain, just like we give them the right to treat us like animals, with how we treat animals.
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03-14-2013 , 08:24 PM
^^this is why people mock vegetarians
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03-14-2013 , 08:25 PM
Wasn't convinced until

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The pink skin
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03-14-2013 , 08:26 PM
Pretty sure it's mostly because they don't eat delicious delicious meat. Bonus points for saying stuff like "I just don't like the way bacon tastes/smells"
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03-14-2013 , 08:26 PM
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03-14-2013 , 09:05 PM
The real question is how much of his own post does MyPoorLil5850s actually believe?
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03-14-2013 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MyPoorLil5850s
As a vegetarian for mainly ethical reasons, I can say that eating fish, especially oysters and things like that, is definitely much less frowned upon, by me at least. The reasons stated earlier are very valid. Basically, they have no central nervous system, probably do not percieve pain in the same way as mammals do, and they don't seem to have emotions on the same level as the higher developed animals.

It's all baby steps anyways. I went vegetarian for years before becoming vegan. Even if you eat ONE less piece of meat per week, that's still contributing, and you should try it! Every little bit helps reduce suffering.

I can look in my dog's eyes and know she feels emotions. Now, pigs are smarter than dogs. So why are they treated like the lowest of the low? In the wild, pigs defecate FAR from where they live, and eat. However, in captivitity, they are forced to live in their own filth.

This is such a good analogy for what is actually done to us, humans. We live in our own filth, figuratively, because America is turning to garbage, the girls are all whores, which is the farthest thing from what women should be (selective), and the guys are all whiny little bitch-boys (instead of real men of action) because the media has programmed them to act, speak, and take on the appearance of Justin Beiber so they can GET the women. And then when they do get with them, they can't even satisfy them! Does Justin Beiber look like he could satisfy a woman? Lol. Then the women all turn into lesbians because they're fed up with it and the men are already so effeminated, they turn gay. Boom, population controlled.

Pigs are probably the most similar animals to humans. I know common knowledge says it would be monkeys, but pigs actually are more similar than us, for several reasons. The pink skin, sparse body hair, the way they bond mother to piglet. Just on looks alone they are very similar to us, and social structure is similar as well (they are not herd animals, like cows). Now, of all the major religions, some are vegetarian and some aren't, but the most forbidden animal of all, is the pig. This is remnants of deep wisdom, though the reasons are forgotten, the intelligent still follow it.

The analogy here being, we (the goyim, or cattle) are like the pig to the people in power. You got people listening to conspiracy radio, which is mostly nutjobs, and saying "They're trying to control the population and put us in FEMA camps! The New World Order is wrong. ITS WRONG I TELL YA!" And then 5 seconds later, "Hey honey, will you pass me another pork chop? And give a hot dog to this little girl here. PEDOPHELIA IS WRONG! ITS WRONG!!!!"

Who are we to complain about what those in power do to us, when we treat those below us the same as they treat us? We give up our right to complain, just like we give them the right to treat us like animals, with how we treat animals.
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^^this is why people mock vegetarians
BINGO!

(I was laffing my ass off reading that drivel. In fact, I'm gonna go back and read it again!)
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03-14-2013 , 09:51 PM
Fwiw once you skin them bears look more like humans than pigs do.
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03-15-2013 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ninetynine99
I don't "get" the "ethical" rationale.

What is unethical about man killing and eating animals?

Seriously, I just don't get the "ethical" holier-than-thou-meat-eater "rationale".

Explain pls.
I feel in today's world you no longer need to eat meat (unlike in the past when you eated what you could), thereby I don't. Unnecessary suffering.
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03-15-2013 , 12:54 AM
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Fwiw once you skin them bears look more like humans than pigs do.
I don't know about skinned, but without hair, bears look, ahem, weird.

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03-15-2013 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
Meh, just take some statins. Or eat a few grapefruit.
That might work for many but Dr Dean Ornish recommends 5MG or less of cholesterol per day so I try to follow that, I've never had any problems but heart disease runs in my family so I'm off the meat.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=diet&dbid=5

Granted this isn't for everyone and I don't have any issues with people enjoying meat.
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03-15-2013 , 05:04 AM
I was a vegetarian for a couple of years. I did it for health reasons. I ended up getting ulcerative colitis because my body couldn't handle all the extra roughage. My doctor told me to start eating meat again or die. That first steak tasted so damn good. Colitis went away and never came back.

MEAT!!!!!!!!!
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03-15-2013 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MyPoorLil5850s
Pigs are probably the most similar animals to humans. I know common knowledge says it would be monkeys, but pigs actually are more similar than us, for several reasons. The pink skin, sparse body hair, the way they bond mother to piglet. Just on looks alone they are very similar to us, and social structure is similar as well (they are not herd animals, like cows). Now, of all the major religions, some are vegetarian and some aren't, but the most forbidden animal of all, is the pig. This is remnants of deep wisdom, though the reasons are forgotten, the intelligent still follow it.

The analogy here being, we (the goyim, or cattle) are like the pig to the people in power. You got people listening to conspiracy radio, which is mostly nutjobs, and saying "They're trying to control the population and put us in FEMA camps! The New World Order is wrong. ITS WRONG I TELL YA!" And then 5 seconds later, "Hey honey, will you pass me another pork chop? And give a hot dog to this little girl here. PEDOPHELIA IS WRONG! ITS WRONG!!!!"
Say what you will about the tenets of this guy's vegetarian anti-Hindu pro-pedophilia philosophy; at least it's an ethos.
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03-15-2013 , 10:04 AM
Ppl who are serious about converting/trying vegetarianism should definitely give Indian cuisine a go. And heck, if possible, even come stay here for a while. Not gonna be heavy on ur wallet at all, its a good experience and you'll get to taste first hand authentic Indian food and not the stereotypical mass produced commercial Indian food u guys have there.

I eat meat myself, mainly chicken and some fish. Don't usually try anything else. I end up eating sometimes on like occasions, eating out, etc. Rest of the time, at home and stuff, I'm a vegetarian.

And to those defending humans being meant to eat meat...lol. The structure of our teeth, our digestive systems etc speak for themselves. Eating meat is something that has become ingrained since pre historic times when man was a hunter and had to hunt for food and had nothing else. That doesn't mean it is right or that we're built to eat meat. I have no issues with meat eaters as I love me some chicken every now and then but we as a race are definitely not built to be meat eaters. Man is no longer a hunter with no means to provide for himself anymore. Least, that's the way I see it.

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03-15-2013 , 10:17 AM
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I was a vegetarian for a couple of years. I did it for health reasons. I ended up getting ulcerative colitis because my body couldn't handle all the extra roughage. My doctor told me to start eating meat again or die. That first steak tasted so damn good. Colitis went away and never came back.

MEAT!!!!!!!!!
I haven't seen or heard a reputable source anywhere that links too much roughage to causing ulcerative colitis. Fermentable fibers making episodes worse, sure. But causing? I don't know about that.
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03-15-2013 , 10:25 AM
Meat deficiency probably contributed
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03-15-2013 , 10:36 AM
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Meat deficiency probably contributed
I'm guessing it was a highly inflammatory diet. Lots of processed grains and no anti inflammatory and delicious salmon or tuna.
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03-15-2013 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crashjr
The moral argument is summed up thusly:

Not only the same diet as Hitler but also a quote from his favorite philosopher, can someone call ADL already and get the owner of the car arrested!

Why not just give up on eating food? We can live without it lol;
http://robrhinehart.com/?p=298
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03-15-2013 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by adsman
I was a vegetarian for a couple of years. I did it for health reasons. I ended up getting ulcerative colitis because my body couldn't handle all the extra roughage. My doctor told me to start eating meat again or die. That first steak tasted so damn good. Colitis went away and never came back.

MEAT!!!!!!!!!
Eat meat again or die? hahah Is this the same Dr. that says "Get vaccinated or DIE!"

Going vegetarian shouldn't cause any serious harm to your body. What was your diet like during that time?
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03-15-2013 , 12:59 PM
Why do vegans/vegetarians feel so compelled to advocate for this diet? What do you guys care if others eat meat?

I eat meat when i want, and quite often eat vegetarian meals only for days at a time. However I have no moral qualms with eating animals.

The truth of the matter, for me, is that using animals makes many foods simply taste better. If I make a pot of beans with only vegetables in it, it will taste better with chicken stock than with water or veg stock.

Setting an arbitrary moral standard about eating animals or not just seems like self ego inflation if you ask me, once the discussion turns as it inevitably does to which diet is "better".
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03-15-2013 , 01:07 PM
I could not care less whether or not you or anyone else eats meat, but I often wonder why so many meat eaters feel compelled to try to convince vegetarians that their reasons for being vegetarian are invalid.
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03-15-2013 , 01:09 PM
I think it cuts both directions. Your reasons are your own. Maybe meat eaters just think you're missing out on delicious delicious meat though.
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03-15-2013 , 01:21 PM
Sure, and the answer to your "Why do vegans/vegetarians feel so compelled to advocate for this diet? What do you guys care if others eat meat?" questions is that most don't give a ****, just like most meat-eaters don't care that I don't eat meat, and most Christians don't care whether or not you accept Jesus Christ are your personal saviour. And in each case, the ones that do care are really ****ing annoying.
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03-15-2013 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
I could not care less whether or not you or anyone else eats meat, but I often wonder why so many meat eaters feel compelled to try to convince vegetarians that their reasons for being vegetarian are invalid.
Well, you're not going to get get sufficiently fattened in time for the holidays by eating salad.
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