Vegetarian-vegan thread
Good to know, I thought that you didn't do sugar at all, but in that case you're definitely welcome to a muffin or several. The glaze was kind of not good anyway. It made the muffins a little overly sweet, in my opinion. I don't get the point of making a lovely tart lemony muffin and then sweetening it to death.
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Daiya is inedible except when their shredded mozzarella is melted at high heat on a pizza, and then it's really quite nice if used sparingly.
Chao regular is fair. I want to try the tomato cayenne variety, but it is always sold out.
Tofutti has a very decent cream cheese, if you're into that at all. It's better if you whip in some garlic and herbs and make an herbed cream cheese, but it also makes a good cheesecake.
Daiya is inedible except when their shredded mozzarella is melted at high heat on a pizza, and then it's really quite nice if used sparingly.
Chao regular is fair. I want to try the tomato cayenne variety, but it is always sold out.
Tofutti has a very decent cream cheese, if you're into that at all. It's better if you whip in some garlic and herbs and make an herbed cream cheese, but it also makes a good cheesecake.
Kite Hill makes a pretty bomb Vegan ricotta
Chao is tasty, and has a very buttery flavor to it.
No need to whip garlic and herbs into Tofutti cream cheese. They already have it!
I am jealous! I have never found a garlic herb Tofutti.
I can't even eat regular ricotta, so I expect Kite Hill's ricotta would leave me cold.
I can't even eat regular ricotta, so I expect Kite Hill's ricotta would leave me cold.
I just tried their whipped cream cheese for the first time yesterday. Game freaking changer. Amazing stuff.
Mushrooms braised in red wine with carrots, onions, garlic, and thyme over mashed potatoes.
Kite Hill has a pumpkin cream cheese out right now. My wife and I went full pig and ate pretty much the whole tub in one sitting. Tastes just like pumpkin pie filling.
I really like everything that this guy puts out. While part of this video is largely pro meat consumption, I think there's a strong message for vegetarians/vegans as well to be more careful about how they get their protein.
Come on bro, this is the whole incomplete protein misnomer redressed. You don't need all 9 IAA's per meal but the video basically implies that you do. The liver will hold unutilized IAA's throughout the day until the missing ones are introduced and then protein synthesis resumes.
500 calories of seitan has over 100g of well-balanced IAA protein and contains more leucine than chicken. But yeah, if you don't want to put a tiny bit of effort in and ensure you get the protein you need, then just clock a dog and fire up the grill.
500 calories of seitan has over 100g of well-balanced IAA protein and contains more leucine than chicken. But yeah, if you don't want to put a tiny bit of effort in and ensure you get the protein you need, then just clock a dog and fire up the grill.
I did not get this from my viewing, I'm also curious what the misnomer is here.
This thread has plenty of evidence that people enter vegetarianism/veganism without understanding even basic nutritional needs which leads them to fail, this video addresses that very well imo.
I did not get this from my viewing, I'm also curious what the misnomer is here.
This thread has plenty of evidence that people enter vegetarianism/veganism without understanding even basic nutritional needs which leads them to fail, this video addresses that very well imo.
This thread has plenty of evidence that people enter vegetarianism/veganism without understanding even basic nutritional needs which leads them to fail, this video addresses that very well imo.
Most people "fail" because vegan diets are restrictive and they just want to eat a pizza; they don't fail because they're not getting enough quality protein and getting sick. And if it's an ovo-lacto vegetarian, it's near impossible to not get everything you need without paying any real attention to detail in the diet.
But yeah, vegans who subsist on potato chips, Red Vines, vegan ice cream, and fries are not going to be healthy, but it's not like they're not aware of this.
The video is legit saying, "Well, eat this and get this, but then you need to eat this to get this IAA, and then you need to eat this to get this IAA, or you can just eat this meal of steak and eggs at 200 fewer calories and get the same thing" in one meal, when that's not how protein synthesis works.
I will agree that if a vegetarian or vegan has their diet under control and is in great health, then this video is not for them, which is why in my original post on the video I mentioned
I think there's a strong message for vegetarians/vegans as well to be more careful about how they get their protein.
Seems to be lots more anecdotal "ever since I gave up eating animal products I feel so much better," than anecdotal "stopped being vegan/veggie due to declining health." Only people I know who've gone back to meat due to "declining health" are people whose blood work came back with low iron, and eating some meat was the easiest way for them to get their iron back up.
My sister bought this and we had it with the family on the weekend
https://www.verygoodbutchers.com/col.../stuffed-beast
It was better than Tofurky, which is first ingredient gluten, and then tofu instead of chickpeas. I made a gravy that helped a lot.
The chickpea + gluten combo reminded me that I need to make these chickpea cutlets again. They're good but still a little gluteny so will have to sub in some nutritional yeast and chickpea flour or maybe whole wheat flour.
Tonight I'm making tofu nuggets. Breaded tofu just as good as over processed fake chicken vegan nuggets from the grocery store. Basically this recipe but just seasoning with w/e
https://www.verygoodbutchers.com/col.../stuffed-beast
Ingredients: Organic chickpeas, Water, Wheat gluten, Bread (wheat), Onion, Organic celery, Organic carrot, Yams, Organic sunflower oil, Dried cranberries (cranberries, sugar, sunflower oil), Oat spread (organic coconut oil, water, sunflower oil, oats, sunflower lecithin, sea salt, cane sugar, bacterial culture), Natural flavour, Salt, Herbs, Spices.
The chickpea + gluten combo reminded me that I need to make these chickpea cutlets again. They're good but still a little gluteny so will have to sub in some nutritional yeast and chickpea flour or maybe whole wheat flour.
Tonight I'm making tofu nuggets. Breaded tofu just as good as over processed fake chicken vegan nuggets from the grocery store. Basically this recipe but just seasoning with w/e
That said, I'm not really going to listen to a forage product manager lecture about why animal proteins are best. Like get that ass**** out of the video.
You have basically two types: those who do it for health reasons and those who do it for ethical reasons. The ethical types do not care, for the most part, and if they're fine with that then who am I to argue with them?
Seems to be lots more anecdotal "ever since I gave up eating animal products I feel so much better," than anecdotal "stopped being vegan/veggie due to declining health." Only people I know who've gone back to meat due to "declining health" are people whose blood work came back with low iron, and eating some meat was the easiest way for them to get their iron back up.
I like all these videos of, "If you're trying to be a world-class bodybuilder then animal protein is the best protein calorie-for-calorie, so obviously computer programmers should eat animals."
Even bodybuilder Dr. Israetel says that the difference between a vegan bodybuilder and a meat-eater bodybuilder might be only a pound of lean muscle mass after like a decade of training, if at all.
Nah, you didn't mention that. You said, "a strong message for vegans/vegetarians," which implies that you think most vegans and vegetarians do not have their diet under control and are not in great health by default, but whatever.
I think there's a strong message for vegetarians/vegans as well to be more careful about how they get their protein.
You have basically two types: those who do it for health reasons and those who do it for ethical reasons. The ethical types do not care, for the most part, and if they're fine with that then who am I to argue with them?
Is this some "vegan" YouTuber that got caught eating fish at a restaurant and cited a decline in health? Who are these people? Any links?
I am guessing that considering your dismissive first sentence here, any links would be brushed off far quicker than the time it would take me to actually find them.
That's been my observation.
I like all these videos of, "If you're trying to be a world-class bodybuilder then animal protein is the best protein calorie-for-calorie, so obviously computer programmers should eat animals."
Even bodybuilder Dr. Israetel says that the difference between a vegan bodybuilder and a meat-eater bodybuilder might be only a pound of lean muscle mass after like a decade of training, if at all.
Even bodybuilder Dr. Israetel says that the difference between a vegan bodybuilder and a meat-eater bodybuilder might be only a pound of lean muscle mass after like a decade of training, if at all.
No "implications" or anything else. Here are my thoughts on the video: Not all protein is the same. Consuming meat for protein is the default situation for most people I run into. If they wish to cut out meat then they are cutting out their main source of protein, and should therefore look into stuff like this to ensure they get all of the protein they need. This will help not only in being more healthy, but also in maintaining sticking to the diet.
What I meant here is: "I think there's a strong message for vegetarians/vegans as well to be more careful about how they get their protein." Any "implications" that I am saying most vegan or vegetarians do not have their diet under control is unintended, and I don't really see it even mildly suggested. I understand that this thread has largely been attacking those two diets, so maybe the implication is there, but I'm not seeing it in the words we're discussing.
A lot. It's a frequent topic of conversation with several groups of my friends.
What I meant here is: "I think there's a strong message for vegetarians/vegans as well to be more careful about how they get their protein." Any "implications" that I am saying most vegan or vegetarians do not have their diet under control is unintended, and I don't really see it even mildly suggested.
Nah. The protein angle is so 1990's and they have an ethical position about meat, so better for them to watch Brenda Davis or someone like that.
This is a common way of dismissing claims like this, which is why I think the guy in the video takes extra time to break down that body builders are on the high end, doctor recommendations were for a long time on the low end. Most people are in the middle, but that's still pretty far off from the low end.
No "implications" or anything else. Here are my thoughts on the video: Not all protein is the same. Consuming meat for protein is the default situation for most people I run into. If they wish to cut out meat then they are cutting out their main source of protein, and should therefore look into stuff like this to ensure they get all of the protein they need. This will help not only in being more healthy, but also in maintaining sticking to the diet.
No "implications" or anything else. Here are my thoughts on the video: Not all protein is the same. Consuming meat for protein is the default situation for most people I run into. If they wish to cut out meat then they are cutting out their main source of protein, and should therefore look into stuff like this to ensure they get all of the protein they need. This will help not only in being more healthy, but also in maintaining sticking to the diet.
On a vegetarian diet, the most mindless person will get sufficient protein each day (and by sufficient, I'm talking about sufficient levels of all IAA's), and vegans who eat a good variety of foods will get the same.
Like I said, the protein angle has been exhausted. Not a single veggie/vegan I've ever known has developed kwashiorkor, and I've known some pretty sketchy vegans, and this guy in the video is pretty lol using impoverished areas to assert that vegetable proteins are an inadequate source of protein.
There are much better angles than the played out protein one.
Why? Do you hang out with anorexics or bodybuilders or...?
Nah. The protein angle is so 1990's and they have an ethical position about meat, so better for them to watch Brenda Davis or someone like that.
It is great that there's better information than this out there, and they should watch that. That does not mean they wouldn't benefit from watching this too.
Let's hear your story please. Be as detailed as possible.
Nah. I was asking for links to where you're getting your information from, not for you to search for some links. Sounds like anecdotal experiences between you and a couple of friends?
Like I opened with: the incomplete protein misnomer. IAA's are IAA's, and nearly every food contains all 9 IAA's, but not all foods have the same IAA make up, though, and that's the cornerstone of this video's argument.
On a vegetarian diet, the most mindless person will get sufficient protein each day (and by sufficient, I'm talking about sufficient levels of all IAA's), and vegans who eat a good variety of foods will get the same.
Like I said, the protein angle has been exhausted. Not a single veggie/vegan I've ever known has developed kwashiorkor, and I've known some pretty sketchy vegans, and this guy in the video is pretty lol using impoverished areas to assert that vegetable proteins are an inadequate source of protein.
There are much better angles than the played out protein one.
There are much better angles than the played out protein one.
Why? Do you hang out with anorexics or bodybuilders or...?
Yes, of course.
Really? The only time I ever talk about nutrition is with other runners, and even then it's usually centered around when, what, and how much during a run.
The information in the video constructs a strawman and he then attacks it. For example, using impoverished areas and using it to draw the conclusion that plant protein is insufficient.
Really? The only time I ever talk about nutrition is with other runners, and even then it's usually centered around when, what, and how much during a run.
From the video: “In developed countries we tend to eat more protein as a total, so this is less of an issue. But research shows that quality of protein might still matter...” He specifically addresses this in order to avoid strawmanning and acknowledges that the infographic he's discussing is poorer nations.
That's great. I was vegan when I was hardcore into running, and thought that being vegan helped a ton at the time. That was in highschool/early college though, so quite some time ago. I am into a few physical activities now, so a lot of the conversations are probably rehashed. I've also noticed nutrition being brought up in completely unrelated scenarios though.
Land o Lakes. I say this as somebody that thinks you are a really good poster and I enjoy your posts in other threads. I truly am saying this with nothing but the best intentions and I hope you don't interpret this as an attack. You seem unusually angry and hostile about a lot of things. I really wish you would chill out, for your own sake.
What threads does LoL post good in?
Fair enough, but there's that "quality protein" phrase again. The assertion is that a tighter ratio of IAA's is superior. Well, that would be the case if you eat only one meal a day with no variety in that meal - in that case, eat just chicken or just wheat gluten. Quality protein problem solved in both cases, but now there are a whole host of other nutritional issues in both situations. Whichever diet one subscribes to, a holistic approach is necessary.
Part of the reason it interests me so much is because I am trying to slowly cut meat out of my diet, and I'd like to do it as healthily as possible.
Anytime you want to share your experiences, I'm willing to listen without judgment. I'm a pure vegetarian and not a vegan (the difference is less subtle than most think) and not militant nor proselytize.
Land o Lakes. I say this as somebody that thinks you are a really good poster and I enjoy your posts in other threads. I truly am saying this with nothing but the best intentions and I hope you don't interpret this as an attack. You seem unusually angry and hostile about a lot of things. I really wish you would chill out, for your own sake.
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