The only thing that "ruined" this thread is age, and the fact that there's really not much to discuss if people aren't talking about cooking, serving and eating delicious vegetables. Where else would you expect the conversation to go? Everybody knows all the arguments, nobody's going to change their mind.

People would be banned for this nonsense in the steak thread because the steak thread is full of content from people who like to eat steak. If there was useful food information being posted here it wouldn't be the cesspit it is, and one of the first people banned would probably be amazin.

And amazin's lolbad posting is the only reason this thread is still active anyway. It's not like the options are a good vegetarian thread or this thread. It's this thread or nothing. People have tried posting food content. I've tried posting food content. no1curr

Amazin clearly does not help the cause, but do you think he hurts it or has no effect?

Does anyone itt think they are more or less likely to become/stay a vegetarian/vegan because of amazin or anything else itt?

I most definitely help the cause in aggregate. I've converted multiple people to veganism.

In this thread? I think not.

Cliffs: It's gregorio's fault.

It's always gregorio's fault

Amazin is definitely like the liberal slappies making everyone vote for trump

Are you saying there's something wrong with my gear?

kitty-cat whiskers (porcupine quills if you enjoy the thrill of the hunt)



anyway, does anyone have a recommendation on a great nut butter i can order online, preferably from amazon but any site is fine if the shipping is not outrageous? i tried Justin's almond butters (i think hazlenut and regular) and apparently i'm in the minority of not liking it.
i like Smart Balance creamy rich roast peanut butter, but I know it's really not that good for you.

any favorite brands for cashew/almond/macadamia/pistachio or obviously peanut? probably been my favorite food forever, yet I've never found an alternative/healthy brand that personally didn't taste like dirtchalk.

I got your nut butter right here

Sure, I admit to trolling amazin but come on, how can one not troll him?

With regard to other vegans and veggies posts itt (such as LoL and gregorio) I have gained some insight into where they are coming from. I don't know what LoL's problem is cause I don't think it should be a big deal letting him know that his big-ass veg assemblies don't look too tasty. As nitty, pedantic and self-righteous as he can get, I have no issue with LoL or his diet and I'm glad to hear that he enjoys it and it works for him. Having said that, it is sooooo damn easy to get a rise outta him that it is difficult to not poke him a bit.

If there wasn't trolling itt it wouldn't have grown to be much more than 20 posts... I'm feeling pretty comfortable setting the line at <50.

If it is going to "improve" the thread by reducing the trolling to anyone other than amazin then I am game to give it my best effort.


Cliffs: Yeah, it really is gregorio's fault.

I can't say that I disagree with any of that.


Make your own; it's the nuts.

Some people like to soak their raw nuts in water to remove phytic acid before turning their nuts into a creamy butter. If your nuts are hard and shriveled like almonds, then like 10 hours is good; if your nuts are soft and smooth like cashews, then about 2 hours is all that's needed.

If you do decide to dip your raw nuts into water for hours, then you want to make sure your nuts are completely submerged in the water and then thoroughly dried or dehydrated before you place your nuts in a processor. Do not use the gooey nut mixture that's left over for anything (e.g., nut milk) - discard it.

To prep your wet nuts to make butter, you can either carefully place your nuts in a single-layer on a baking pan and roast your nuts at a low temp (100 degrees) for about 18 hours, while flipping your nuts over every few hours, or you could take your nuts and place them in a food dehydrator for like 12 hours to suck out all of that moisture out of your nuts.

In either case, make sure your nuts are completely dry and crisp before taking a blade to your nuts to produce your nut butter. Once your nuts are ready for business, you want to grind your nuts for up to 20 minutes to produce creamy butter from your nuts. Some people like to add a little oil at certain intervals while they're grinding their nuts to smooth them out a bit, but just make sure you give your nuts plenty of room when you are grinding them and they'll be fine nuts dry.

Personally, I skip all that nut-soaking and oil nonsense as my raw nuts are pre-soaked before I grab them, so I just take the tastiest nuts I can find and just grind away.

Now...? Of course, but back then he wasn't indoctrinated as much as he is now and you made the first strike to an innoxious answer to a genuine question. It's all moot, though, as it's gregario's fault anyway.


I'm nitty at times, but lol @ pedantic and self-righteous.

I think the fact that amazin is posting things that appeal to emotion while everyone talking to him is using appeals to logic doesn't help. Funny to lol at that.

just a bit at times when you get going off on some tangent like how you can't understand how someone doesn't appreciate that a diet of 100 apples a day isn't tasty and satisfying... stuff like that

Do people these days forget that the air we breathe comes from plants and trees? If there were no plants and trees, there would be no oxygen.

You see, and I learned this in 2nd grade I believe, we breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. Plants breathe in carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen. The planet has come to a wonderful balance and we both are able to breathe.

I honestly don't see how people don't see what a huge issue this is. And the only counter-argument seems to be "Well Cowspiracy and stuff don't have their facts all right/their projections are off/humans will figure it out"

What if we don't? This is the problem as I see it, it's a negative freeroll. If I'm right, then in ~50 years we all die and there is no inhabitable planet due to the forests and oceans being destroyed. If you guys are right, then what? You get to continue eating your meat, and everything is good? One solution clearly dominates the other here, in game theory terms.

I agree that's terrible and I will abstain from eating animals raised in the amazon.

What is involved in doing so?

I've been reiterating this for years ITT and they don't seem capable of comprehending it. Watch, four days from now some genius will say "but plants grown for human consumption result in habitat destruction too! Booya, ultimate anti-vegan trump card!"

Adr, amazin:


Aren't soybean crops a bigger cause of deforestation than livestock?

I know palm oil was up there too, though that may have changed over the last few years with all the anti-palm oil sentiment.

El D - Jumped the gun a little bit, didn't we?

Absolutely nothing, which is a cause I can get behind.

Amazin, adr:

Do both of you believe the earth is flat?

First google result says 83% of soybean deforestation is for meats.

"About 85 percent of the world's soybeans are processed, or "crushed," annually into soybean meal and oil. Approximately 98 percent of the soybean meal that is crushed is further processed into animal feed with the balance used to make soy flour and proteins."

Shaming poors who don't eat grass-fed beef would be a good first step.

Nittery, why bother? The info has been posted innumerably over the course of years. They aren't capable of processing the information