Amazing,

I agree that second hand shopping fan be fun and is a good idea to reduce your footprint! I don't have the patience or skill for it, so kudos.

What's with that beard? ugh...

Are you making an argument that vegan philosophy is in some way related to religion?

So amazin is an extremist and possibly Muslim?

Yes, being poor will reduce your carbon footprint.

Petroleum powered vehicles generally have a lower carbon footprint than electric vehicles

You still have to produce the electricity, and the electric engines and batteries have higher carbon emission when manufactured than the conventional engines

I wouldn't own either

Good for you

Thanks Greg. I might have to give it a try in a recipe.

Amazin has redeemed himself to me with his use of the word snazzy!

Things I do to try and be environmentally conscious.

Buy some clothing at charity shops etc

Organic vegetable gardening, composting

Recycle or reuse things

Energy saving powerboards lights etc

Ride my bike

Use the library

Try and not buy things that have packaging that is unnecessary

Using environmentally sound household cleaners, laundry detergent, toiletries etc

Try and reduce the meat I eat

Keep water and energy consumption down/recycle water

There are probably other things I do I have missed. I have been doing all these things for all of my life really. It probably stems from having lived with my grandparents when I was young and getting their Great Depression habits from them. Also living in the country and seeing bad droughts made me very conscious of water usage. I was lugging out water to my garden I had saved from the shower long before water restrictions became a thing. I have moments where I sometimes think why am I bothering when the environmental situation is so bad, what is the point? Nevertheless I potter on and hope someone a bit smarter than me can work out some solutions.

My sister lived in a vegan house in which they'd removed the trap from the bathroom sink so it emptied into a bucket, and then used that water to flush the toilet.

This, at best, is inelegantly stated, and is more likely incorrect on the grounds of making many assumptions, some of which are likely incorrect.

The lifetime carbon footprint of a car is (for simplification's sake):

carbon footprint of making the car + carbon footprint of operating the car, ie:
manufacture + fuel.

What you seem to be arguing (just from the text of your post) is that the carbon footprint of the manufacture of electric cars is greater than that of a gas powered car. This might be true! Giant batteries are in fact difficult/costly in a variety of ways to produce.

However, you might be trying to say some variation of either:

The gap between the footprint of producing two cars is so great that one cannot overcome it with the lifetime difference in footprint between fueling the cars.

There isn't a difference in lifetime footprint of fueling the cars, since producing the electricity itself has at least equal footprint to the production of gas.

Either of these are demonstrably false at least in some scenarios.

For the first, it would rely on an assumption of a certain lifetime, or lifetime fuel consumption as standard across the cars. No matter what the delta of manufacture, if the delta of fuel is nonzero, there's some number that when multiplied by the fuel delta that overcomes.

For the second, it's neither true that cars are as efficient at turning gas into electricity as gas powered power plants (if they were, power plants would likely just be big fields of car engines), nor that there are power plants (see: solar) that have themselves significantly lower footprint than traditional fuel power, and by transitivity, fuel engines in cars.

Anyway, this appears to be a pretty commonly spouted falsehood that is attractive to believe because there are certain parts of it that (like any other good conspiracy theory) make the person who accepts it feel smarter and more in the know of details and facts than those that believe the consensus. Most people don't know that battery manufacturing is environmentally quite bad. How bad? Who knows! Most people don't consider that the electricity comes from power plants that burn fuel. Are they more efficient than car engines? Who knows!

A bit of googling debunks this one pretty thoroughly, though -- if you don't readily accept my debunking above. There's lots of good charts and figures and things like that. Like this one:



If you were just trolling, good job I guess.

Breakfast!

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It's good to see all that money you must be saving by buying second hand clothes is going on great food.

Is that white rice pasta?

Swap out the macaroni for a tortilla, the beans for some pork, and add a good salsa and you've got a decent al pastor taco there.

If we can teach amazin how to correctly take and post photographs I will consider this thread a smashing success.

The carbon emission of a gas vehicle being lower than an electric vehicle propaganda goes back to a very well publicized 2005 comparison of a Hummer vs. a Prius soon after the Prius came out. The reactionaries were left with all the "facts" they needed despite the fact that: The analysis took into account all the R&D that went into an entirely new vehicle as well as building the factories to build the cars and sending engineers from Japan to dealerships to train service personel as energy costs and sources of pollution and then divided all of that over the early sales of a totally new type of vehicle that wasn't even marketed in many parts of the country. The BS study was conducted by a hired marketing research company and was reported very widely, trumpeted by George Will in the Washington Post, bandied about by every coal roller in the country and quietly and utterly refuted.

it's funny how much diff amazin looks vs what i imagined. makes me curious about so many other characters here.

I think there was a thread where people posted photos of themselves?

Thanks, citanul

Do you have a link please?

yes i'm also interested. especially in active members. i'll contribute (no one cares)

There was this thread
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...t=good+looking

A+ bread. Try the Lundberg black pearl rice and/or the sprouted brown rice. Lol @ the rest.

The dichotomy that exists between your clothing and food choices is a bit comical.

LOL,

He obviously got all that food second hand. It was promised $10 total.

Note: I was in a health food store today where where they decided the Ezekiel's bread was way too comically expensive, so they didn't even put price tags on it. They also tried to sell me a $50 bottle of elderflower syrup. Seems right up amazin's alley.