daveT,
in your opinion, about how many UFO sightings each year are alien spaceships?

I'd never heard of this incident so i checked out your link and I have to say the evidence wasn't particularly compelling. It seemed pretty obvious they were balloons and one of the 2 network news reports on it spent more time interviewing people laughing about it than videoing the ufos.

I'd like to believe that New York City would basically come to a standstill if aliens were hovering overhead. I'd also think that in a town full of photojournalists, researchers and advanced camera equipment that someone would have better pictures of ufos hovering overhead during daylight hours. It seems no one could be bothered to take a good picture of a UFO over NYC in the middle of the day.

At what point have I ever made a claim that a UFO is an alien spaceship?

If you are going to ad hominem, please do so truthfully.

What is the answer to that question? Zero?

You keep answering questions with questions.

Unless an alien comes out of the ship and says "Yo, I'm from 'a'dllads'fladlfa'," I have no clue, and it's silly to even venture a guess.

The only thing I would say is that there is a subset of UFOs that are legitimately UFOs. If it's origin is otherworldly, deep dark government, time machines, then okay.

In case you need clarification, I use UFO in the literal translation: "unidentified flying object" not "alien saucer." The word "unknown" means... unknown. To ask what percentage of UFO is alien craft, I would have to know that at least one is an alien craft, and as far as I know, there is no solid evidence of one, so why would I extrapolate zero to some larger number? In fact, I don't even know how the whole alien assumption started.

Do you trust every one in your local neighbourhood even if most of them are cool?

Would you leave your front door open 24hours a day?

You need to give these people a fair chance at putting across their side of the story, its not a matter of this video or that video, that x report details we have z material. The issue is there is a water shed moment and we are all being politely informed to modify your stance on this topic.

This planet, its mixed co existence of several forms of life clearly shows we hold the potential that is needed on the global and further fields.


https://youtu.be/bXA0fOTgQYc

could be that there has existed a more technologically advanced species that evolved here or somehow came here long ago and they're so advanced they are able to hide from us (and possibly they're hiding from others as well, interstellar police perhaps? who's to say?)

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...ously.amp.html

More details on a first-hand account of a Navy pilot.

The guy is nuts.

Unfortunately I have been programmed that way.

Tucker did a great job here, a lot more details in the story as well. No giggling, X files theme or jokey jokey either. Too bad that again nobody commented on the ''look on the AESA, there's a whole fleet of them'' part from the other vid.

I like how they called Fravor ''an american pilot'' in the article. This guy was the CO of the Black Aces.

I also posted this in the outer limits/debunking thread but no response yet.

More to the American irony. We make all the alien movies.

If a politician who was running for office said he believes that there are aliens here living among us, he would be a complete laughingstock. There would be commercials mocking him talking to ET or something.

This attitude prevents any serious discussion about UFOs/aliens. Sadly, I have been conditioned the same exact way.

meteorological phenomenon = phony government scientists lying to you about UFOs right in front of your damn eyes

Bird gif is hilarious, here's the live shot.

I think we are likely not the only life in this universe, but to think we could prove or disprove it at this point seems foolish.

There's no evidence any UFOs are from another planet, though. Even one UFO outa the probable thousands reported over the decades would be extremely improbable- an alien spacecraft visiting our planet outa all those in existence- to have more than one being from another planet would be astronomical.

I'm saying UFOs in their literal acronym. I don't believe there's a singular explanation for them. The vast majority of them can be explained in mundane terms & the small percentage of unknowns are just that- unknown. Doesn't mean they're alien spacecraft or inter dimensional intelligence & doesn't mean they aren't either. It's simply highly improbable that they are, is all.

Most UFO conspiracy theories I've ever looked into seemed permeated with paranoia combined with a serious mistrust of the US Federal Government. which seems to be equated with some omnipotent X Files style organisation. They also seem to have a doomsday style & very pessimistic tone. But none of them have anything compelling to support their mistrust & certainly not their beliefs, for me.

Why would you think our planet is the only one they visited?

>rimshot<

So now it's multiple planets? What makes you think non human intelligence is visiting our planet or any planet? There's no evidence for this, even if some believe such things. My point is that it's very very very unlikely that we're being visited by alien or inter dimensional beings & the vast majority of UFOs would have mundane explanations & that this would ultimately probably apply to unknown cases.

I don't, but if they're space guys they have probably visited many planets. Did Captain Kirk only visit one planet?

But like I said, I think it's more likely they're just humans from the future. They would have an interest in us but don't want to interfere or conquer. The Butterfly Effect and all that.

Wouldn't a time machine open up the whole paradox that anything they do in the past wouldn't affect their present?

I guess the responsible thing would be to add some sort of "reset history" switch just in case. With that, they can come back and play "Alien's Attack!," laying waste to humanity every weekend and we'd be none the wiser.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...flying-object/

For the third time in three months, a declassified Defense Department video shows U.S. Navy F-18 fighters seemingly encountering UFOs.

“Oh my gosh, dude,” said one pilot in the video of their F/A-18 Super Hornet military jet’s 2015 encounter with the unusual object along the East Coast. The oval-shaped aircraft zipped with befuddling speed.

“Wow! What is that, man?” said another. “Look at that flying!”

The 35-second video, released by the privately owned media and scientific research company To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, is the latest to suggest the existence of hovering egg-shaped vessels since the Pentagon in December publicly acknowledged a program dedicated to the study of unidentified flying objects. While the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program ran from 2007 to 2012, those familiar with it say efforts are still made to further learn about these objects.

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One of the videos released in December is of former U.S. Navy pilot Cmdr. David Fravor’s 2004 encounter with a flying object about the size of his plane moving at a rapid pace, unlike anything else he’d seen in the air. He told The Post’s Eli Rosenberg that he has not forgotten the incident. As Rosenberg reported:

An order came in for [Fravor] to suspend the exercise and do some “real-world tasking,” about 60 miles west of their location, Fravor said. He said he was told by the command that there were some unidentified flying objects descending from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet and disappearing; he said officials told him they had been tracking a couple dozen of these objects for a few weeks.

When they arrived closer to the point, they saw the object, flying around a patch of white water in the ocean below.

“A white Tic Tac, about the same size as a Hornet, 40 feet long with no wings,” Fravor described. “Just hanging close to the water.”

The object created no rotor wash — the visible air turbulence left by the blades of a helicopter — he said, and began to mirror the pilots as they pursued it, before it vanished.

“As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he said. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.”

To this day, 13 years later, Fravor is certain about one thing: That the object is “something not from the Earth,” he said.

It’s harder to get parking there.