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12-22-2017 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
It looked a little like this (just a nearest-neighbor to "triangle ufo")
Are you sure it wasn't swamp gas?

But yeah, triangle crafts seem to be the majority observed in the last decades. And I don't mean Bubba seeing a F-117 or a B2 in the distance but people like you watching something the size of an aircraft career silently float above them.

What about these, are they closer to what you saw? And what year was this and what state/country?





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12-22-2017 , 05:14 AM
One thing I've been wondering is why is it almost impossible for US politicians, officials or scientists to publicly admit they believe ET might be around? Is it because the US is conservative and reactionary like that? Is it conforming to the status quo so huge in the US that people in top positions are scared about admitting belief in anything unorthodox? I've seen countless top officials, military elites, scientists, gov investigators from many other countries who either admitted believing in an ET presence or at least accepting it as a likely possibility.

My guess is this is also why there are ZERO members in the US congress who are ''openly atheist''. What a ******ed concept that you should have to ''come out'' as an atheist in 2017. Why is conforming in the US such a mother ****er compared to the rest of world?
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12-22-2017 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cs3
That Fermi Paradox article on waitbutwhy.com was fantastic. I love that kind of stuff.


Edit - here's the link
https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
Great article, great site.

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Originally Posted by krawk
I've seen countless top officials, military elites, scientists, gov investigators from many other countries who either admitted believing in an ET presence or at least accepting it as a likely possibility.
I don't think many respected thinkers believe in an ET presence on earth at all. I'd bet that very few think this. That's not to say that they disbelieve there's the possibility of life/intelligence elsewhere, just that they don't believe that it's ever been here. If you can, cite some examples of noted smart-guys claiming that they believe aliens have been among us.

I personally believe that life's a lot more rare than the Fermi estimates suggest, maybe even rare enough that we're very close to unique. That seems to be the simplest solution.
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12-22-2017 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by krawk
Well, if they can generate their own gravitational field then every effect the Earth's pull would have on the inside of the craft goes out the window, inertia included... just sayin'.

I mean if this is really ET tech it would be like going back to the galleon days and expect the craftsmen of the time to reverse engineer a G.R. Ford career.
Wrong, gravity has nothing to do with inertia. Nonetheless, no Russians or Chinese or Iranians have tech to affect gravity.
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12-22-2017 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by krawk
What about these, are they closer to what you saw? And what year was this and what state/country?
What I grabbed was about as close to it as I care to find. It's like taking a mugshot and calling it Mrs America. No comparison.

This was in Ohio, a state in the United States that gets a lot of derisive commentary on TV shows.
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12-22-2017 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
Great article, great site.



I don't think many respected thinkers believe in an ET presence on earth at all. I'd bet that very few think this. That's not to say that they disbelieve there's the possibility of life/intelligence elsewhere, just that they don't believe that it's ever been here. If you can, cite some examples of noted smart-guys claiming that they believe aliens have been among us.

I personally believe that life's a lot more rare than the Fermi estimates suggest, maybe even rare enough that we're very close to unique. That seems to be the simplest solution.

I didn't just say ''smart guys'' as in scientists, but any sort of top official. It's very obvious that americans are much more shy about expressing unorthodox views, the same with the atheists in congress example.





(from around 1:20 to 1:24 mostly but there's also russian officials in it)


These are just a few examples, I couldn't find all of them and others are in foreign languages. Now imagine a NASA director or a high ranking officer or a top scientist from the US either seriously discussing these things or admitting they are a believer. What can you expect from a country where you can't even admit being an atheist?

Although tbf Michio Kaku is american and isn't a chicken**** or close-minded:

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12-22-2017 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
I personally believe that life's a lot more rare than the Fermi estimates suggest, maybe even rare enough that we're very close to unique. That seems to be the simplest solution.
I think it's exceedingly rare, possibly the only place in the universe. That article left out a key factor that always used to be mentioned years ago in that kind of story, but seem to be left out in recent articles. The earth has a very large moon in relation to the size of the earth. This large moon cleared a lot of debris from space that would otherwise hit and effed up the earth. It also causes large tides, which stirred the primordial soup and got life going.

A moon as big as ours is too big to have formed naturally like what usually happens, and is too big to be passing by and captured by the earth's gravity. Our moon came from a collision with another planetoid that hit at a shallow enough angle to not destroy the earth, yet remained nearby to be captured in orbit. Such an event occurring is extremely unlikely.
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12-22-2017 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Wrong, gravity has nothing to do with inertia. Nonetheless, no Russians or Chinese or Iranians have tech to affect gravity.
It produces a gravity wave which is similar to the gravity wave the Earth produces. However, the craft phase shifts the wave.. in other words it turns the wave, not really in an opposite polarity but smth to that effect where it will work against the natural gravity wave of the Earth and it produces lift in that effect.

Well, the craft generates its own gravitational field. Being inside that field, essentially.. it doesn't shield you but essentially you're in (and this is a terrible way to say it) almost in a different realm because you're now influenced only by that gravitational field. For instance, people wonder how a craft like this can make a turn at such high speed, a 90 degree turn, when they would imagine people slamming up against the wall or something to that effect. Well, that really wouldn't happen, inertia would have no effect. You're in a distortion and don't forget that gravity distorts time and space so really nothing's gonna influence you while you're in there.
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12-22-2017 , 11:06 PM
We have been star gazing with actual telescopes that can see **** (sorry Hans Lippershey - 1608 and Galileo, et al.) for no more than 100 years. Correct me if I am wrong, I am a geologic scientist not a math expert, 0.000 000 000 022 % of earths existence. I'd like to assume that you think this is a small amount of time to be looking at planets, stars and galaxies. Some of which are so far away humans will never see them. We just found a planet in our solar system, let that settle in. Let's gain some perspective, we can't see anything, we wont reach a type 1 civilization, we can't travel fast, we can't see far... basically we don't know anything about anything (though I can make a really good sammich', too bad I am a guy right).

Who knows the most? Like our earlier discussion with fighter pilots being experts or not (lolabar, I am disappoint), our experts in ET are scientists. Everyone else should shut the **** up. Your layman's brilliant grasp of the universe doesn't mean ****. Sorry to break it to you.

Biologists, Astrophysicists, Chemists, planetary scientists, Geologists, etc., many of whom are working for the military who will never publish scientific papers for decades or more in the name of national security, are a pretty large section of the scientists you should listen to. Listen to one else. No one here. Listen to the experts, last I checked(I check more than you), the experts now increasingly say that life is flourishing in the Universe. As more data comes in every day more people conclude that.

The most reliable experts on UFO's and alien life don't talk on 2+2, does everyone not know that?
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12-22-2017 , 11:18 PM
My friend just took these pics a couple of hours ago in Huntington Beach:




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12-22-2017 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cs3
My friend just took these pics a couple of hours ago in Huntington Beach:




SpaceX Falcon 9 launch. Growing up in Orange County, not too far from Huntington Beach, we would see missile launches resembling this from time to time. They're beautiful yet terrifying.
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12-22-2017 , 11:27 PM
Awww man, you're telling me it's not alien space craft then?
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12-22-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cs3
Awww man, you're telling me it's not alien space craft then?
Afraid not. Freaky though if you didn't know there was going to be a launch.
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12-23-2017 , 12:23 AM
cs3, I open Twitter once a week for 5 minutes at a time, and even I saw that meme going around.
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12-23-2017 , 02:03 AM
I have critical thinking skills and know better than to believe everything I see and read on the internet I'm pretty sure those are UFOs.
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12-23-2017 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
I have critical thinking skills and know better than to believe everything I see and read on the internet I'm pretty sure those are UFOs.
Your stupidity and pettiness never cease to amaze me. Congrats.
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12-23-2017 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
We have been star gazing with actual telescopes that can see **** (sorry Hans Lippershey - 1608 and Galileo, et al.) for no more than 100 years. Correct me if I am wrong, I am a geologic scientist not a math expert, 0.000 000 000 022 % of earths existence. I'd like to assume that you think this is a small amount of time to be looking at planets, stars and galaxies. Some of which are so far away humans will never see them. We just found a planet in our solar system, let that settle in. Let's gain some perspective, we can't see anything, we wont reach a type 1 civilization, we can't travel fast, we can't see far... basically we don't know anything about anything (though I can make a really good sammich', too bad I am a guy right).

Who knows the most? Like our earlier discussion with fighter pilots being experts or not (lolabar, I am disappoint), our experts in ET are scientists. Everyone else should shut the **** up. Your layman's brilliant grasp of the universe doesn't mean ****. Sorry to break it to you.

Biologists, Astrophysicists, Chemists, planetary scientists, Geologists, etc., many of whom are working for the military who will never publish scientific papers for decades or more in the name of national security, are a pretty large section of the scientists you should listen to. Listen to one else. No one here. Listen to the experts, last I checked(I check more than you), the experts now increasingly say that life is flourishing in the Universe. As more data comes in every day more people conclude that.

The most reliable experts on UFO's and alien life don't talk on 2+2, does everyone not know that?
That article is talking about radio telescopes. You wouldn't necessarily have to be "looking" at something to pick it up. Yes, there could be cavemen, etc somewhere that doesn't use radio yet, but for all the multiplications that some people do, there should be lots of civilizations out there. And if they're far more advanced than us, their radio signals have been out there for hundreds or thousands of years. So even planets thousands of light years away would be detectable.
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12-23-2017 , 10:43 AM
What makes you think they're still using radio?

I seriously doubt any if the UFO sightings are alien spacecraft, though it's not impossible. Obviously, alien motivation would be alien, but I suspect they would either be better at hiding if they don't want to affect us, or have more interaction if they do.

As for Fermi paradox, 1) space is very, very big and 2) how does anyone estimate the chances of intelligent life firming?

Finally, anyone with critical thinking skills should realize that vast conspiracies just don't work. They leak like sieves. In intelligence, the old saying is "three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
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12-23-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
I have critical thinking skills and know better than to believe everything I see and read on the internet I'm pretty sure those are UFOs.
lol. well done.
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12-23-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
In intelligence, the old saying is "three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
This appears to be attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

It seems some people with various levels of credibility have spoken about this stuff, so it's not like things haven't leaked. If 100 people with military creds make a claim, what is the chance that one of them aren't lying?

(despite my own sighting, I'm very skeptical by default)
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12-23-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
What makes you think they're still using radio?
Wat? If anyone had been using radio for a period of time that coincides with how long we've had radio telescopes, we'd have picked it up. We've been using radio for about a hundred years, with nothing better even conceived, so will probably do so for another several decades, maybe even centuries.

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I seriously doubt any if the UFO sightings are alien spacecraft, though it's not impossible. Obviously, alien motivation would be alien, but I suspect they would either be better at hiding if they don't want to affect us, or have more interaction if they do.

As for Fermi paradox, 1) space is very, very big and 2) how does anyone estimate the chances of intelligent life firming?

Finally, anyone with critical thinking skills should realize that vast conspiracies just don't work. They leak like sieves. In intelligence, the old saying is "three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
I don't think they're aliens either, given that I consider it unlikely that life would develop anywhere else. So who is in these air/sea/space craft using tech far beyond our technological capacity? Obviously, earth people time traveling back from the future.
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12-23-2017 , 11:25 PM
This guy says it's aliens beyond a reasonable doubt:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.teleg...-pentagon/amp/
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12-23-2017 , 11:28 PM
I've read some people theorize that the government knows we've been visited and are transitioning from the "lol aliens" take on things to a more moderate "maybe we have/probably we have been visited" so that they can eventually come out with "yes, we have been visited" without people freaking out too much.
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12-24-2017 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
I've read some people theorize that the government knows we've been visited and are transitioning from the "lol aliens" take on things to a more moderate "maybe we have/probably we have been visited" so that they can eventually come out with "yes, we have been visited" without people freaking out too much.
Yeah, soft disclosure makes a lot more sense than just a sudden ''they're here'' press conference. They could also see how ready the public is or how small doses of this it affects anything from religions to markets. It will very interesting how much they'll admit to knowing and for how long. My guess would be that very few people know what's going on and it's pretty much all career intel/military and not politicians. And the federal gov is so compartmentalized that they could all know pieces the others don't (same way FBI and CIA failed to prevent 9/11 by not working together).

Did Delonge say there are more videos coming soon, I think I heard that somewhere?
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12-24-2017 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
This guy says it's aliens beyond a reasonable doubt:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.teleg...-pentagon/amp/
I actually clicked your ****ing link and it wants me to register for that premium article. Booooooo
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