I assume you meant to say don't have any ill will I mean I get what you're saying and wouldn't have ill will I guess. It's just dumb for someone to vent about it if they aren't going to atleast try and stand up for what they believe in. Letting people go unchecked with something that you know is wrong isn't an attractive quality either imo. Like I said at a certain point people need to be let known that what they're doing isn't ok. You don't have to be confrontational about either per se. You could say "hey steve, I don't feel it's ok that you kept our tip money there instead of giving it to the waitress. I'd feel better if you'd just give me my money back since that was money intended for the server." There's plenty of ways to tell people you aren't comfortable with something w/o being that way. Sorry I hope I'm not derailing this thread.

A guy I worked with brought his friend up to our work where we served and dude did the same thing. Except it was at our work and his friend is stiffing our co-worker and stealing the tip money (which obv was semi-excessive worker to worker).

Dumbasses.

grunch, what's the norm for shoe shine guys? shop charges 4 or 5, you add...?

I've never had anyone shine my shoes, but I'd add $2. Maybe $3 if it's NYC or something.

Another way to deal with a lot of cash and one card is to give the card guy exactly enough to cover everyone but himself and then just give the bartender the rest of the cash for tip. Put 'cash' on tip line and call it a day.

This serves two purposes. It kills the opportunity for card guy to skeeve, and servers also like $ tip>>>>card tip.



Re: that particular scumbag from your story, I would literally shame the absolute **** out of him in front of everyone, essentially tell him that you have the bartenders tip in your pocket you ****ing scumbag, and make him take out all the wrinkly bills from his cheap-ass pocket and put them together and give them to the ****ing bartender. Then never go out with him again.
The fact he has the most money in the group just magnifies my wanting to ridicule him even more.

Not exactly tipping related but close enough (and late...) Should I be giving my mailman a "tip" for Christmas? I seem to remember this being customary when I was growing up. If it matters I live in a house so he is stopping at my mailbox daily. Assuming if the answer is yes 20-30 to appropriate?

I have never heard of tipping the mailman before.

my mom used to buy them xmas gifts

garbage man too

But he's providing service though.

Also don't forgot to tip the cashier at the grocery store, the 7-11 guy and the teller at the bank.

If you have any money left over from tipping during holidays you're doing it wrong.

Seems to be a rich, suburban thing. Pretty sure if I tipped my mailman he would take it, but look at me suspiciously waiting for when I ask him for something strange, like the mail from the hot girl across the street.

Pics or gtfo

I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread yet, but starting January 1st the IRS will be counting automatic gratuities as wages, which will basically eliminate auto grats across the board because of the the payroll tax liability and added paperwork for restaurants. The GM of the restaurant/bar I bartend at sent out an email today saying we will no longer be auto gratting large parties.

Servers of Lester's 12 tops weep nationwide

Re: mailman tips

My mom does this is suburbia, I think she gets him something in the value of $25

Is nobody currently paying payroll taxes on tips? I'm under the impression that servers are 'supposed' to report tips to their employer, who presumably already withholds payroll taxes from this income, but if this change is a big deal, then...?

Currently when you get tips from auto grats they are paid out to you at the end of the night in cash just like normal credit card tips. What the IRS is doing is classifying auto grats as service charges that are paid to the restaurant and then will be paid out in a pay check along with the $2.13/hr. Up until now restaurants only pay payroll taxes on the $2.13 an hour, but starting next year all auto grats will also be considered wages paid by the restaurant.

Regarding tip reporting and withholding:

There is a difference between tip reporting for doing paid in/paid out and tip reporting for tax purposes. When a server runs their checkout report after entering all their credit card tips, the POS system will prompt them to enter their total tips. This is for tax purposes. Some POS systems will let you enter in $0, while others will force you to enter an amount that is at least the total of credit card tips. Whatever amount is recorded will be factored into the paycheck on top of the $2.13/hr. Most servers get paychecks for $0 because the $2.13 an hour is used to pay taxes on the tips that have been reported, and any taxes owed on top of that will not be accounted for until you file your taxes.

The people in the industry that can most easily avoid paying taxes are those that have no sales and are tipped out from servers (bar backs, bussers, hosts, kitchen). Where I work the kitchen gets nothing, bar back gets $5/hr plus 20% bar tips, servers tip the bar 3% on alcohol sales and tip the server assistant 2% on food sales.

Sorry bit late. He's really only stealing a couple dollars but I can assure he doesn't see it that way and if we explained instead of needling he would've made things insta-right. But we just ended up staying a Lil later and all hit her with the excess change on drinks so prolly 30-40$ extra

You said he turned a 30% tip into a 10% tip on a bill of ten people drinking at a bar.

You didn't provide any numbers, but if we assume a conservative $25/person for a $250 tab, that means he pocketed $45 of other people's money. He also not only did not pay anything, he wound up with about $20 more in his pocket than he had when he walked in.

No matter how big/small the tab actually was, he took 20% of the bill for himself, and since his fair share was only 10%, he ended up with free drinks and a profit that came directly from the pockets of everyone in your group and the waitress.

Completely unacceptable and a direct slap in the face to you and everyone else involved. The fact that you are rationalizing it as "a couple of bucks" means that you still don't get it.

The bill had to be at least $1k if there were 10 people. /Henry17

But this doesn't really answer the question. Is anyone paying payroll taxes on those tips that get entered in? If not, why not? If so, the change doesn't sound like a big deal.

yeah snowmen either doesn't get it or is faking numbers

The server pays the tax on it normally.

How is everyone tipping when the restaurant is severely understaffed? It's not really the servers fault, but they do have extra tables and the service is ****ty.

Who am I kidding, I just tip 20% regardless of what goes on. I might stiff for the worst of the worst service, but it's so rare to get that.

I'm suburban but not rich, and we've always tipped our mailman since getting our own house. $20 or $25 the week before Christmas.

My wife's father, who is a mailman, says that about 25% of people tip.