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02-14-2018 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Everything I've read said servers are better off than cooks monetarily.
You're 100% right. Most of the cooks I worked with, while most were great people, the majority were either uneducated, ex convicts, of questionable citizen status, or drug addicts that wouldn't be able to function in any other working environment. Those are the only people that can deal with that intense position for so little in return. Now when you get into working with chefs and Cooks in a fine dining restaurant, it's much different. You and me are thinking "cooks" in your typical chain sit down casual restaurants.

Staff parties after hours were usually a conduit for access to any type of drugs you wanted. Back of the house in any restaurant is like a little bit of University/frat life without the academics.

If someone tells you that they've been a cook for 10+ years, ask them where can you get some blow/H/meth, I guarantee 9/10 can make the call for you within 5 minutes.

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02-14-2018 , 10:47 AM
When I was a poker dealer in Washington state we had to rotate once or twice a week doing soft count. Normally took 3 or 4 hours. Luckily I worked at a place that would pay us I think $5 more an hour than minimum wage for that time. Would only get a couple of dealing downs after that so didn't make hardly any tip money those days.
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02-14-2018 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
States with a lower tipped minimum that require supplementation up to the state minimum if tips don't cover it: AZ, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, IL, ME, MD, MI, MO, NE, NJ, NM, OH, RI, SD, UT, VT, WV (21 states)

States with a lower tipped minimum and NO supplementation requirement: AL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MA, MS, NH, NY, NC, ND, OK, PA, SC, TN, TX, VA, WI, WY (22 states)

The other 7 don't have a lower minimum wage for tipped employees: AK, CA, MN, MT, NV, OR, WA
to be clear, in the second group of states you still must supplement to the federal minimum wage. there just isn't a higher state min wage
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02-14-2018 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
You're 100% right. Most of the cooks I worked with, while most were great people, the majority were either uneducated, ex convicts, of questionable citizen status, or drug addicts that wouldn't be able to function in any other working environment. Those are the only people that can deal with that intense position for so little in return. Now when you get into working with chefs and Cooks in a fine dining restaurant, it's much different. You and me are thinking "cooks" in your typical chain sit down casual restaurants.

Staff parties after hours were usually a conduit for access to any type of drugs you wanted. Back of the house in any restaurant is like a little bit of University/frat life without the academics.

If someone tells you that they've been a cook for 10+ years, ask them where can you get some blow/H/meth, I guarantee 9/10 can make the call for you within 5 minutes.

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Is this really unique to the restaurant industry? What are the chances the janitor of a smut house for 10 years can hook you up with blow?
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02-14-2018 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
to be clear, in the second group of states you still must supplement to the federal minimum wage. there just isn't a higher state min wage
Well, in the second group of states there's no *state* requirement to supplement. Federal requirements are a separate matter.
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02-14-2018 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Is this really unique to the restaurant industry? What are the chances the janitor of a smut house for 10 years can hook you up with blow?
When you go into a smuthouse you know what you're there for. I doubt most people realize that when they're ordering a bloomin onion, the cooks are doing bumps in the back cause they've been up for the past 30hours.

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02-14-2018 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
If I were a server in a restaurant that decided to pay me less than minimum wage, I'd get another job immediately, then quit the job with the scumbag(s), then represent myself in small claims court. There's no need for motions practice, lawyers, etc., over a few hundred dollars.


You are so awesome
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02-14-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
When you go into a smuthouse you know what you're there for. I doubt most people realize that when they're ordering a bloomin onion, the cooks are doing bumps in the back cause they've been up for the past 30hours.

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I think you're wrong about that.
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02-15-2018 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
States with a lower tipped minimum that require supplementation up to the state minimum if tips don't cover it: AZ, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, IL, ME, MD, MI, MO, NE, NJ, NM, OH, RI, SD, UT, VT, WV (21 states)

States with a lower tipped minimum and NO supplementation requirement: AL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MA, MS, NH, NY, NC, ND, OK, PA, SC, TN, TX, VA, WI, WY (22 states)

The other 7 don't have a lower minimum wage for tipped employees: AK, CA, MN, MT, NV, OR, WA
Source? Because I'm pretty sure you misread this or the source is wrong.

edit: NM I misread. In the first group mentions state, second doesn't. Kind of a pointless post. Every state guarantees federal min wage.

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02-15-2018 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by txdome
Source? Because I'm pretty sure you misread this or the source is wrong.

edit: NM I misread. In the first group mentions state, second doesn't. Kind of a pointless post. Every state guarantees federal min wage.
No, the feds guarantee federal minimum wage. The states have no obligation to enforce it. State minimum wages are much easier to get enforced because you can bring in state and local authorities to enforce the state law. Whether state authorities are going to try to enforce federal law is another matter. They might. They might not. They might refer to to the federal Department of Labor, which may have bigger fish to fry.
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02-16-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
No, the feds guarantee federal minimum wage. The states have no obligation to enforce it. State minimum wages are much easier to get enforced because you can bring in state and local authorities to enforce the state law. Whether state authorities are going to try to enforce federal law is another matter. They might. They might not. They might refer to to the federal Department of Labor, which may have bigger fish to fry.
No.

Fed min wage is guaranteed and enforceable in every jurisdiction. Where the state min is higher, you ask for that.
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02-16-2018 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Restaurants violate so many labor laws on the daily that if people took action, it would literally shut down the entire industry. I've been in instances when we were so busy that you have servers in the kitchen chopping carrots and toasting buns in between checking on their tables. Part of the restaurant culture is all for one and there's usually a strong family environment fostered. If I was a server, there would be no way that I would be prepping veggies while still paid a server wage with no benefits, while the cooks are making $9-15/hr. But in the server's shoes, what do you do? Risk being sent home by management because you don't want to help the team? Or you can get your hands dirty, make sure the meal comes out on time and aesthetically pleasing in hopes that you get a good tip to make up for that extra labor?

It's easy to say "she should sue the restaurant", but what server has $2500 up front to retain a lawyer to sue a national chain? Not to mention that chain has a legal department that will get multiple motions from the courts, prolonging the case, until the plaintiff runs out of money. Plus, good luck finding a lawyer to fight for you in small claims court for a practice that all of the restaurants do.

Seeing this first hand over 10-12 years ago puts me into that "over tipper" category out of sympathy for what they go through. Plus, it's so rare that I go to casual dining establishments, that a 50% tip on a check to a great server 3-4 times a year isn't a big deal. You're having a good meal and literally making someone's day in the process.

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You don't pay a lawyer up front for a labor claim, they collect on contingency.

Fees are tacked onto the award giving the employee tremendous leverage. In many cases, the fees drastically exceed the claim.
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02-16-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
No.

Fed min wage is guaranteed and enforceable in every jurisdiction. Where the state min is higher, you ask for that.
Enforceable IN every jurisdiction, but it's not the job of the states to enforce federal law. That's why you see cannabis "legalized" in some states. The states have no duty to enforce federal law.
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03-27-2018 , 06:35 PM
I had a small package delivered to the hotel, which arrived while I was at work. Upon returning, I stopped at the front desk to ask for it. Clerk dials up someone who confirms that my package is there, but the person who delivers packages is busy, and he'll bring it up to my room as soon as he can. Anyone tip the guy when he comes up? Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but the whole thing seems like a tip grab, and one that's making me wait longer for my package.

Last edited by Minimalist; 03-27-2018 at 07:05 PM.
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03-27-2018 , 06:45 PM
Min,

I say **** it who cares and give them a couple bucks.
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03-27-2018 , 07:11 PM
It probably is a "tip grab." That's something you have to accept and deal with when you're out and about.

You could look at it as you're tipping them for accepting the package and holding it for you. Either way, I give a buck or two if it's a single small item.

If you REALLY wanted to avoid tipping, you could ask them how long it'll be and wait or ask them to give you a call so you could come down and grab it on your way out or whatever.
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03-27-2018 , 09:46 PM
If this happened to me I would be pretty pissed that I couldn't get my package right then and would certainly not be inclined to pay extra for the unwanted delay.
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03-27-2018 , 10:08 PM
"Here's a tip for ya: don't ever try and tip grab me again."
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03-28-2018 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Min,

I say **** it who cares and give them a couple bucks.
This. Unless I want/need it right away, in which case I'm letting the desk clerk know that in the nicest way possible. If they still don't give it to me, that's another story.
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03-28-2018 , 10:19 AM
"I'll wait."
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03-28-2018 , 11:51 AM
I'd tip the busy package lady regardless so makes no difference to me. Not enough evidence to qualify it as a tip grab imo.
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03-30-2018 , 10:09 PM
Update for those who need closure - I had decided to give the bellhop two bucks, but it was a security guard, rather than a bellhop, who showed up. Then he had me produce ID in my own room, which I thought was odd, and had me sign for the package. Upon signing, I noticed that I was agreeing to pay $5. No tip was given.
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03-30-2018 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Minimalist
Update for those who need closure - I had decided to give the bellhop two bucks, but it was a security guard, rather than a bellhop, who showed up. Then he had me produce ID in my own room, which I thought was odd, and had me sign for the package. Upon signing, I noticed that I was agreeing to pay $5. No tip was given.
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03-31-2018 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Minimalist
I had a small package delivered to the hotel, which arrived while I was at work. Upon returning, I stopped at the front desk to ask for it. Clerk dials up someone who confirms that my package is there, but the person who delivers packages is busy, and he'll bring it up to my room as soon as he can. Anyone tip the guy when he comes up? Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but the whole thing seems like a tip grab, and one that's making me wait longer for my package.
Depending on the hotel, pull a $20, $10 or $5 out and politely inform the clerk that you need the package right now.
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05-05-2018 , 01:00 AM
Tipping situation, advice needed. I’ll keep it brief.

Location: New York City, Dizzys Club (Jazz)
Time: 9:30 pm, Thursday
Ticket: $40 per person
Minimum tab: $10 per person
Party of: 2

I had one drink ($11,50) and my gf two sodas, but only one ($3,50) was on the bill. They said nothing about the $10 minimum.

Final bill was $95 including tax and tickets.

What to leave? I figured not to tip on the tickets, leave a little more than usual for leaving off the soda and not worrying about the minimum. Something like $10-$15?
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