How often did people actually tip? I have to admit I've never tipped in Australia or New Zealand ever, I don't see it as necessary in our part of the world.

No crayons or toys or whatever the rest of that stuff is but there is usually a lot of rice on the floor and some broken chips. You expect me to pick up rice and pieces of chips???

Yah kinda.

I have been that table. An example, one day I was eating out by myself due to my husband had to work. So at one point I was waiting for my food. Two ladies were sitting a table that just got greeted. As our waitress(same waitress as theirs) left their table, she asked me if I needed a refill, I said "yes." Instead of her only getting the two drinks for that table, she actually fixes my dr. pepper refill too and hands mine first. I gave her EXTRA in the tip because she cut in front of their turn IN MY FAVOR. It was wrong what she did though and should have not gotten mine at all in the trip. It turns out, the ladies weren't ready to order anyway, but still, it was wrong to make them wait longer for their drinks anyways, even if they weren't ready to order.

That's an example of when it's in my favor.

The thing is, if she would have made me wait my turn, I would not have been mad like you think. I think it's terrible she did that and shouldn't have.

No, because it TRULY WASN'T MY TURN DUMMY so NO, I wouldn't be pissed off. You don't seem to understand that I know who was first and who wasn't since I watch this kind of stuff, so I KNOW WHO is first. So if they give it to them first but they didn't order first I know or if they give it to us first when it was supposed to be them I know.

If I were table 1 I would NOT have been mad at ALL, NOT ONE ****ING BIT! I would have been GLAD to wait my turn because when it is my turn I want my turn to be my turn, understand what I am saying here? I want to wait longer when it's not my turn simply because it's **FAIR** and I want to be treated **FAIRLY** so when it is finally my turn, my turn doesn't get cut in front of, understand?

Like the story I told you, our waitress should have not had my drink yet, she should have just gotten the 2 ladies drinks for that party's table. Then said "I'll be right back." Then gone to fix mine and then handed mine to me. Then went to them. Now if they would have been ready to order, obviously, she would have had to take their food orders. Then she should instead of putting in their orders, get my drink and give it to me BEFORE putting in the order since my turn was HONESTLY BEFORE they ordered their food.

Understand what turns mean?

I can't go up while our server is taking a food order let's say in a party of 4 to ask for a refill and expect the server to say "This lady needs a refill, I'll be right back to take the rest of y'all's orders." That would be simply RUDE, MORALLY WRONG, etc. No server would do that and you know it. They'd tell me to wait my turn.

Do you understand now how your scenario doesn't make sense since I am very fine with waiting my turn? How when I do notice it how I tip higher if they cut towards (my or our favor)?

This is different simply because workmen's comp comes to mind if you have an employee slip and fall hurt themselves or the restaurant can get sued for leaving a mess if you slip and fall, this is simply common sense.

You know I wasn't talking about things like that, right?

My scenarios were talking about just going to get food and handing it off the tray in the correct order. NOBODY says they have to hand food out of order, I ******GUARANTEE YOU THAT********** and you know it.

If table a orders before table b and you have the items for both tables on a tray, there's NO *********F***CKING REASON******** to hand it out of order, NONE! No corporate tells you to hand it out of order either and you know it.

See Springs, again, this is not how restaurants operate and that makes you a dumbass. SHE DOESN'T MIX THE DRINKS DUMBASS!

She was expediting the entire process to literally the benefit of everyone except your fat hooker ass.

You really need to learn some ***MANNERS***!

As I said before, it's how a **SERVER*** or **BARTENDER*** operates. YES IT IS.

The restaurant is a business, a building, that's it. It's not doing anything idiot.

She isn't mixing drinks DUMBASS! 3 soft drinks altogether, servers get soft drinks either in the kitchen THEMSELVES or at a soda station THEMSELVES DUMBASS IDIOT! No mixing needed.

Electric,

I think 27 would expect you to control your kids better so the floor isn't covered with rice and beans.

When you tipped that waitress extra for skipping you in the queue, you reinforced that behaviour for her and made it worse for your future self

Springs,

Let's say an individual trip to get something takes two minutes.

And let's say asking another table on the same trip and bringing both sets of things together takes a total of three minutes.

By doing both things together, the server can take your second request after three minutes, and get two rounds of service to both tables in six minutes total.

If the waiter did one trip, then started the other trip as a new trip, it will take FOUR minutes total to get to your second request instead of three.

And it will be eight minutes total to service two sets of requests for both tables.

Extend that to a section full of tables, and any non-moron will see that doing things one at a time sequentially will result in overall slower service for everyone in the whole restaurant.

In fact it's even worse than this example, since that also means the kitchen can't start multiple things together, bartender can't get multiple drinks going, etc.

If people followed your stupid ideas of how service should run, EVERYONE would receive overall slower service - including YOU!

You would likely be more successful, richer, and thinner if you understood basic concepts like that.

I remember cleaning up crap like this back in the days when I waited tables. There were never extra tips. Mostly, I remember the parents feigning blissful unawareness.

More than a decade later, I remember my wife and I requesting the sweeper so that we could clean up our own toddler's and/or young kids' mess. We always did this when necessary, but it was definitely plan B - plan A was prevention (a babysitter, or appropriate behavior).

There's a social expectation that parents have their kids under reasonable control, which is defined by whatever is appropriate for the class of restaurant. If your kids aren't ready for it, you should be making alternate arrangements.

As parents, you're supposed to know this.

This is TRULY NOT TRUE I PROMISE YOU THAT!

Example: A real life scenario that I have on one of my blogs about where our waiter at Outback took 10-11 minutes to get us 2 cokes, which also meant by getting all 3 table's orders(us was 2 top, 2nd table was 4 or 5 top(can't remember if 4 or 5), and last table 2. We were first to get seated out of the other 2 tables and the 2nd table was second seated, then the 3rd table. Our waiter took 3 minutes just to greet us, which my husband and I only wanted 2 soft drinks at the greeting. By what he did, he delayed our food LOTS LOTS LOTS LONGER and DRINKS as well. If he would have done everything in order, we would have had our drinks by 5:05p.m. instead of 5:10p.m. 5:11p.m. and at the time he was still delivering the drinks to tables, even he had the gall to hand the 2nd table a lady hers first before ours the *******. Anyway, so by the time he took 7 other people's orders besides ours at the other tables, our food orders didn't go into the computer probably at least 5:15p.m. If he would have done it properly the way it should go by turns, our food order would have been into the computer at 5:07:5:08p.m. at the latest and as I said our drinks would have already gotten to us.

So you are SOOOOOOOO FING' WRONG. Here's someone who completely agrees with me and they WORKED in the service industry:

http://www.forums.sherdog.com/thread...337603/page-14

flowwiththego said:

flowwiththego said:

http://www.forums.sherdog.com/thread...337603/page-26

flowwiththego said:

You don't understand how it works do you?

Stef319 came onto my blog:

http://www.howtobeagoodserver.blogsp...?commentPage=4

Stef319 is DEFENDING me and she was a server at Red Lobster. She had another blog I went on and then she came to agree with me on here. Her blog is no longer there. MT was saying to hold orders in your hands as a server not to make 3 trips to a computer if you are triple sat as a server, but the thing is, by the time the 1st table's order is even known about, it can be 5-10 MINUTES LATER doing it MT'S method rather than doing it the **FAIR** way as Stef 319 said below:

Stef319 said:

See how she says the CLOCK TICKS once you take the order. IT'S **********SOOOOOOOOO TRUE*************! It was that table's turn, not the next table's turn.

Why people that even have done the job are telling you that you are wrong, huh?

It's true though, that if servers went by turns, you'd get orders in faster. If those ladies would have wanted to order their food it would have been faster since she didn't have to go to their table to get their order again, just mine to deliver my drink or even could have gotten another server to deliver the drink for them. We have had that happen before where another server helps another server out. It's team work a restaurant.

Anyway, my point is, you are VERY WRONG!

Imagine if you wanted your check and you asked at 6:05p.m., but your server went to 3 other tables and even got their refills, ranches, orders, extra napkins, boxes, etc. BEFORE your check. Now it's 6:10p.m. and you finally receive your check. Well your server does the same thing again goes to other tables and does their turns BEFORE yours, so now it's 6:13p.m. before she finally grabs your credit card to ring it up. So you finally get to fill it out at 6:15p.m. and leave. If your server would have gone in the proper order, you would have left at 6:08-6:09p.m.

See, what you are saying makes NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER! Everything would be FASTER if you went in order than not going in order. By waiting to put orders in only OVERWHELMS the kitchen(just like when someone gives you bunches of tasks at once) and ends up making it out as one large party instead of individual customers as they are that are paying individual tips for their service.

WHY would you want to overwhelm the kitchen? Flowwiththego makes a valid point of not overwhelming the kitchen.

So I hope you love being held hostage at restaurants, because that's what you are asking them to do by doing it your way. If every server went in order, then for example, my Outback example, we would have been done WELL BEFORE the other 2 tables even if my ribs took longer than the other people's food, our orders would have been put in faster and we didn't have any appetizers or side salads(or soups) or desserts or afterdinner drinks. So we would have been out of the restaurant much ******MUCH********** SOONER! You don't see my point of view considering WE LIVED THROUGH IT, HUH? Flowwiththego said basically what happened to us that our waiter at outback put all 3 orders into computer and he got all 9 non-bar drinks. That takes LOTS and LOTS OF TIME to do that. Going back and forth would have SAVED TIME for the 1st and the 2nd table. The 3rd table would have waited the longest, but as I said before, if you actually **LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON***, you KNOW WHEN YOUR TURN IS AND WHEN IT ISN'T. Honestly, there should NEVER be a triple sat situation, because either way you do it, it sucks for EVERYONE, but the way the waiter did it sucked for the first table that waited the longest to get seated and was seated first. That was UNFAIR, it was. Then he took a drink off the tray and gave it to the 2nd table. That was 3 seconds wasted of our turn as well that didn't need to happen. Then all that time he took to fix 7 other drinks. This was in 2005, but we tipped him 15%, now looking back, we should have stiffed his ass for his constant cutting. He got the orders right and was attentive, but would have had 25% tip if he would have not cut sooo many f'ing times. It delayed our service entirely by what he did. Flowwiththego is right and you know it.

I love how Stef319 said "Customers are watching you approach another table." They aren't blind, don't act like they are. If you don't want to be cut in front of, so don't they! It's one thing if they call you over, of course you have to respond as it would be rude to not respond, but that doesn't mean you have to do that new request from them first, does it? If you were on your way to get 2 refills and another table as you pass by asked for 2 refills, you should make 2 trips so the 1st table isn't waiting as long for their 2 refills. It takes TIME you are taking away from the 1st table that asked first and giving the 2nd table faster, better service than they deserve. Also, if you hand it out of the tray in the wrong order, then you have cut twice and that's just f'ing assholish wrong! At the very least have the COMMON F'ING DECENCY to hand it off the tray in the proper order. Think of the **TIME** it takes to fix 2 glasses with drink. That's 1st table's time you are taking up by fixing 2 soft drinks. Then if you have to change the syrup on one of them or if it's iced tea make a new batch, can you imagine how long the 1st table waits? 2nd table should get their turn WHEN**********WHEN************** it's their turn and ******NOT EVER BEFORE THEIR TURN*********** JUST LIKE WHEN YOU ARE IN A LINE, SAME F'ING THING! Then if you have both drinks on the tray, you know who ordered first, so WHY DISRESPECT THEIR TURN TWICE, HUH? Also, what if that party wants to order something, are you going to set the tray down somewhere and take their order for whatever it is and make the 1st table wait even longer. That's BS if you would. Act like it would be YOUR TABLE SEEING YOUR DRINKS JUST SIT THERE! TOTALLY UNFAIR the way you want things.

Springs,

None of that is relevant to me because when you get $400 tasting menus there are multiple people making sure your needs are met and the pacing of each course is correct for your table. I'd suggest you try frequenting finer dining establishments that put more of a focus on excellent service.

How does anyone respond to Springs1?

I haven't read a post of hers in months.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...58/?highlight=

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...31/?highlight=

There are a bunch of restaurant chains where the bartender also takes care of soft drinks for the wait staff.

Totally unexpected that Hero would tip extra when the IMMORAL EVIL RUDE behavior benefits her. Hero isn't offended by these HATE CRIMES when they mean the server is being a JERK to someone else. This is obviously consistent with Hero's anchoring of her mania in MORAL CODE.

It is factually inaccurate that the only scenarios you have talked about having your time STOLEN from you by RUDE servers are order/service out of order scenarios. See: TV channel change, for example. Similarly, my scenario was not limited (obviously) to one where there is a dangerous spill. Go back and re-read only focusing on the case where there's trash on top of a table. I would prefer the trash be removed before I get seated, even though I would get seated later, get my unlimited refills coke later, etc. You (if you were consistent) would rather see trash.

Servers and bartenders take direction from managers and owners. That is what people are saying in common parlance when they say "a restaurant operates." If the server has been told to do something in one way by their boss, but chooses to do it the patented SPRINGS method instead, that person runs the risk of being FIRED. Getting FIRED is bad for all sorts of reasons, like being unable to pay your bills or feed your family. As an example others have pointed out, many restaurants have a "no empty hands" policy which by nature would make you stiff the server.

Further, hilarious that you believe the only ways soft drinks ever get made is by a server pouring them in a kitchen or a soda station.

I can't imagine how miserable it must be to go to a restaurant of any sort with you. It's not possible you're able to carry on any sort of normal human interaction with your companions since you're paying such hawkish attention to every step every server, busboy, and bartender in the place is making, and making a scene over every perceived slight. Awful. I feel bad for anyone who has to do it.

... because the glass is a better tipper.

What? You judge this type of behavior (oddly) as "moral" or "immoral" and then reward the server for being immoral when it's in your favor.

I must say, you've really eroded your credibility here.

Oski,

That is because springs is an IMMORAL PERSON.

I guess you are right. I thought she was just a fat, cheap slob.

Don't forget poor.

Can you even use EBT cards at a restaurant?

Springs is NEXT LEVEL. WOW!

TRULY NOT TRUE!

electric,

Hopefully this has been an eye-opening experience for you, because right now you and your wife are those people, which is to say self-absorbed, willfully ignorant doofuses.