This goddamned video for the "things you'll never understand" thread:

*First the narrator has a british accent--which almost always annoys me!
*Then the damn video tells me what's about to happen before it ****ing happens despite the fact that an "auditory illusion" is what I'm about to see/hear. "Watch what happens when we play the exact same sound over a different lip movement and you hear it differently due to the McDoobitoobooblydootlefoo effect." So ****ing annoying!
*Now when I watch the video in question, I do not hear it differently. It's obviously the same sound and a missmatched video. So I'm thinking, "Great move ***hole. the effect must not work if you know about it. ****ing wankers."
*For a finale, the mushypeas eating mothershagger blowhard tells me that "the amazing thing about the Mooboobideetootoo effect is that "it works regardless of whether you know about it or not. Even if you know the sound doesn't change, it still sounds differently to you, watching the second video."

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So WTF is this ****?!?!? Does this mean I'm so friggin' contrarian by nature I'll override what my own brain is telling me...out of spite? Or is this guy just another brit rabbitting on all day about nothing?

srs?

It's like, quicker to say

This. Multiplied by ten.

It's like saying O instead of 0 when saying the number.

It makes you look/sound stupid.

You are the one who put the phrase "genius level" in my mouth. I call it "math brain", you said what I was talking about was "genius". I don't agree with that.

You can't just have ******s and geniuses. Most people are in between, and sound like your typical students.

I'm probably in the "math brain" category but I can assure you I'm not a math genius*. I can also assure you I destroy most average people in math cognition, and have to work much less hard on it. You seem to think my kind don't exist. My dad is the same, though I think his dad and brother are closer to math genius level. My mom and 3 siblings are all atrocious at math. And I doubt I worked much harder at it.

*I've taken classes with kids I would call math geniuses, so I've seen them up close and know my limitations. You can also peruse 2p2 and find people way smarter at math. These are who I would call the geniuses. A typical person might look at me and think I'm one but they don't know any better. I do, and would assure them I am not.

So if you guys had to read off an equation like (a*b*c)/(d*e*f) you will say "multiplied by" 4 times?

**** the server's feelings--that even dollar amount is my message to them that if they try to add any money onto the charge I have agreed to, I will make their life a living hell! I will be on them like a fly on ****! They will rue the day they tried to ***ing steal money from me! I will *know* mother****er, and I ****ing hold grudges and go disproportionate in my revenges!

Also I round up from a minimum 20% base.

They're talking about the verb in the following sense:

Instead of saying "You need to times this by 7" you should say "you need to multiply this by 7".

Reading those equations out loud, saying "times" is standard*. But in the case above, the first sentence sounds like it was spoken by a 9 year old. See the difference?

*Because it literally means "that many (A) times, this (B)" or "this (B), that many (A) times".

Five, seven times is 35. But we say "Five times seven".

I agree that most students are "in between." I'm simply saying that those students CAN learn basic math.

Because math builds on itself working a little bit harder over a series of classes will lead to a large gap in apparent mathematical ability. As I've said before "I don't have a math brain" is almost always code for "I don't understand the prerequisite knowledge for this class".

Also a large part of how hard one works comes down to motivation. The fact that people are allowed to believe the "I don't have a math brain" theory kills motivation, for obvious reasons.

If the "I just don't have a math brain" theory were true then a math tutor would be completely unable to help a struggling student who "doesn't have a math brain". But math tutors are able to help struggling students with math by helping them work really hard at it.

I know someone who teaches languages (via the "Where are my Keys?" game) and he gets similarly frustrated when people say "I'm not good at languages." I'm just saying that having this attitude makes the statement a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The likely reason they don't have the prerequisite knowledge is that math is too hard for them, or not interesting enough to want to work hard at it. In either case, there is a lack of a "math brain".

People with a math brain tend to like math because they are good at it and it's fun to help your classmates. So I think they enjoy working at math to see how high they can get. Others hate it because all it does is remind them that their brain isn't very strong in that area, and it's a very important area in life. Gotta be depressing for most people.

lol at not having a "math brain". thats just being lazy and dumb for any level up to calculus.

Yeah that's terribly wrong. If you think that everyone without a math brain can graduate HS with a C or better in Pre-Calculus through sheer hard work, you are a ******.

lol youre saying that some peoples brains doesnt allow them to have tenth grade level intelligence

I watched a video the other day (I think posted in a physics thread , was to do with multiverse) and everything about it was weird annoying (was american documentary) . Prob so unusual therefore annoying.

I'm not sure why people don't just research questions like this rather than giving their anecdotal experiences of when they tutored math one time. Maybe I was just born good at google

Some People Just Born Good At Math, Study Shows


Gut Instinct’s Surprising Role in Math

Individual differences in non-verbal number acuity correlate with maths achievement

Huffington Post, NYT, nature, that should be credible enough

sure not everyone can, but when you take out the small portion of the population that has a learning disability or is otherwise severely mentally limited they can. At least 80% of the population is capable of making an A or B in all math classes up to some level between precalc and non-linear algebra. The exact cutoff is something that I dont know, but proably towards the lower end where it is more tangible. The fact of the matter is that most people dont care enough to put in the time and effort to learn it and are not given the resources in terms of educational material and teachers that it would require. However, it doesnt exactly take a genius to learn calculus. I know plenty of people who are nowhere near genius level nor do they have a "math brain" that can do calculus simply because they worked at it.

I tutored math for 6 years and the kids who lagged the most were simply ones who didnt care enough. My toughest task was simply finding the proper incentive system and after that it was easy. I tutored a 4th grader who literally couldn't add without counting it out on his fingers or using a prop to count things into piles when we started. I worked with him for 2 years for 2.5 hours a week and he scored in the 92nd percentile on the state administered math test in 5th grade. He pretty obviously didnt have a "math brain" or whatever, but he was able to learn it with ease once he actually put a little effort into it.

Pre-calculus is senior level math and yeah some people can't do it. Certainly not at the pace that is required to keep up with their peers.

Far, far cry from pre-calculus. So he struggled with long-division and now he's awesome at it. Wow. I don't think these are the kids Kristy is tutoring.

the kids who cant do precalc arent exactly ones that are knocking the teacher's door to get help or doing extra problems. also, precalc is not sr level math.

people "cant do it" because they spend their time cutting class and getting high. that doesnt mean they are physically incapable of learning concepts

and lol at a school where pre calc is senior level math. maybe a one room schoolhouse in hickville alabama.

Meh, I suppose it may be possible or even fairly common for people to be naturally inept at math at the pre-calc level. I can't picture it, but really how TF could I?

On the other hand, I never met anyone in such a class who did every problem in the book yet hadn't mastered the subject. Cause or effect, yatta yatta yatta.

That's my school, yo. Well, multiple rooms at least. Also, pre-calc was the MAXIMUM offered by my high school.

good to see you guys skip over the links I post and instead share some more anecdotes and assumptions.

Here's another:

Finding Math Hard? Blame Your Right Parietal Lobe

Math is harder for some people to learn. Because it's harder for them to learn they're less interested in learning it. Most everyone might be capable of reaching a level of competence in math but it will be much harder for some people. You're not being lazy if you fail to learn math when learning math for you takes 3x as much effort than it does for your peers.

ok so its possible but people dont want to put in the work to do it

thats the definition of lazy

people who got to take tests untimed because of alleged ADD or whatever always really pissed me off

it's prob possible for you to not be a judgmental douche. comes a lot easier for me, though