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Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed? Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed?
View Poll Results: Should pitbulls be allowed to breed
Yes
391 46.94%
No
289 34.69%
Yes but only if you have to have a special license to own one
153 18.37%

05-25-2010 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It means that there is an argument that some things pose a danger to society when in the hands of irresponsible losers. No one is arguing pits that turn out bad even in they're raised responsibly and with the right kind of discipline.

The point is that pits and other fighting breeds are much more dangerous than most dogs. Pitbulls are bred to bite hard and hang on. They also can be extremely dog-aggressive by nature. Society has some limit of baby/genital maulings before it may finally say enough is enough - as many countries and towns already have.

Although as has been pointed out itt, the effectiveness of those kinds of laws is highly debatable. I can live with the argument that bans just don't work. But the "it's not the dog it's the owner" argument just doesn't hold water with me when I see a pit go shooting out of a car window, completely unprovoked, to try to kill another dog. I don't care if it's the owner, I don't want to be around that. What if some kid happened to get caught in the middle of that and mauled?
So by this same reasoning, people that grow up in inner-city America are more inclined to be involved in gang activities and other misc random violence/etc...so those people shouldn't be allowed to procreate, right? They're raised in an environment and taught by their parents/peers that what they're doing is the way to live life, much like SOME pit bull owners raise them in ways that make them aggressive. k.
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05-25-2010 , 01:47 AM
Wow that logic is so tortured I don't even know where to begin. So I won't.
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05-25-2010 , 07:48 AM
On further thought, strict licensing would probably be the best bet. These dogs can be used as weapons. I know all dogs can, but strong breeds like Rotties, Pitbulls, Staffie's can be trained to **** a person up worse than a highland terrier ever will. Obviously not everyone should be allowed own/train these dogs and those who defend the "freedom" to own whatever dog is ******ed. Same with regards to guns but everyone with an iota of common sense knows that the availability of guns in the US is beyond ******ed. Pistol for defending your house - cool. Guns from the battlefield - no, just no. But hey, there's just no arguing with hicks some times.

Clearly pitbulls, rotties and the like aren't suitable for people with children and people who've never owned a dog. I believe that should be clear for all to recognise. If you've never owned and trained a dog of your own, no ****ing way should you be given access to such a dog.

Similarly anyone with a criminal record for aggressive behavior shouldn't be allowed possess one.

There's lots of people who'd give a pitbull a good home, but there's so many who currently own them and for all the wrong reasons that something should be done about the availability of them.
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05-25-2010 , 10:39 AM
A eugenics program is the next logical step.
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05-25-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
A eugenics program is the next logical step.
Sick Glenn Beck impression.
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05-25-2010 , 12:03 PM
You know who else hated pit bulls? The Nazis.
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05-29-2010 , 11:55 AM
k, nothin new to add besides

dis mine, she's a shelter dog, apparently now i'll be one of the people saying "but mine is so nice." She hates cats, but loves all people so far including random strangers and 2 children sub 6 years old. Has a tendency to want to tear after groundhogs, squirrels, cats, basically any small game. I'll be working on this obv.

She was found after running into a beauty salon with a leash on, nobody came to get her. 90 days in the shelter then we took her home. She had pups at some point cause her tits are way pronounced.

Shelter puts her at 3 years old, but that's basically like putting an age on a dominican baseball player- i'll let the vet give me a better guess in the near future.



can't quite figure her mix, definitely some american bull i think....her hunting and smelling ablity is really high. I can be walking her and see the direct route that animals took from their burrows x hours before. pretty cool.
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05-29-2010 , 11:58 AM
How about other dogs? That's usually a problem.
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05-29-2010 , 12:58 PM
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05-29-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
How about other dogs? That's usually a problem.
only real interaction so far was with a lab that was off it's leash in my neighborhood when i had her outside on a run.

she tensed up, i looked to see what had her attention, lab saw me, came running towards both of us. I kinda snap panicked trying to get the lab to go away....they got nose to nose then she kinda snarled at the lab. Pretty sure she was freaked out by my energy though as well as being tethered at the time.


defintely will be watching closely and correcting her till i get what i want from her.
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05-29-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by willie
only real interaction so far was with a lab that was off it's leash in my neighborhood when i had her outside on a run.

she tensed up, i looked to see what had her attention, lab saw me, came running towards both of us. I kinda snap panicked trying to get the lab to go away....they got nose to nose then she kinda snarled at the lab. Pretty sure she was freaked out by my energy though as well as being tethered at the time.


defintely will be watching closely and correcting her till i get what i want from her.
Might not be a bad idea to find a good trainer for a few sessions. I know a few people who have gotten rescues with slight behavioral issues and it really helped them.
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05-29-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by amplify
by far the most vicious, mean, ill-tempered, poorly-behaved, rabid ass hole dogs I see are chihuahuas. i hate those little ****ers.
Chihuahuas are delusional. They think they're big. Even if you put a mirror in front of them theys still think they're big because they go into denial that that dog in the mirror is not them.
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05-30-2010 , 01:04 AM
People that have children under 8 with a pitbull in the house should have their kids taken into protective custody by the gov.
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05-30-2010 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by I_AM_EVIL
It's not the breed of the dog. It's the way to owner raises them.
sorry but this is one of the sillyest things that gets repeated. I like dogs more than just about anybody but these things can wreak some major damage if let loose. You have to take into account magnitude. Sure it's legal to own a rifle, but you can't own rifle designed/modified to mow down hundreds of people in seconds.

My friend a super strong probably top 1% in strength and reflexes said the same about his pitbull, till one day it snapped. If he wasn't so quick and strong things would have been real bad, I can't imagine how a regular person would fair against these things.

Last edited by NLfool; 05-30-2010 at 02:09 AM.
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05-30-2010 , 02:06 AM
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I've have a super strong probably top 1% of men in strength and reflexes say the same about his pitbull, till one it snapped. He wasn't so quick and strong things would have been real bad, I can't imagine how a regular person would fair against these things.
what?

i take it english is not your first language?
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05-30-2010 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by daryn
what?

i take it english is not your first language?
hah I've got no excuse. It's not my first language but it is my main language now. I wrote it and don't even understand it, some of it is because my phone changes words automatically.
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05-30-2010 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shighley3205
This is simply untrue. When two dogs that are different breeds are bred you don't get a 50/50 mix of the qualities. If this were the case everybody would breed a great dane and a doberman. You could get a dog that looked like a huge doberman but had no dobe qualities at all, or vice versa.

Pit Bulls are working dogs. They need exercise, discipline, and they need to keep their mind occupied. So if the owners aren't doing that the dog is going to go crazy.

Now we add in the fact that they were original bred for bull baiting, so it is natural for them to be aggressive towards other animals.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn from the OP that the woman walking her dog was not controlling her dog properly.

(Side Story)

I grew up around and raised dobermans. I've since trained working class breeds by helping owners learn what they need to do to balance their dog out. Now we ALWAYS train our dobes to sit whenever other dogs were around and they weren't leashed. I still remember and incident to this day where our female was at the vet. There was a smaller dog who got away from his owner and he found his way into our room. The small dog got real fierce and was practically asking to get killed. Soon after the owner comes in and literally stands there for 30 secs telling us how cute this little rat is as he continued to bark and antagonize our dobe.

Now replace my dobe with an improperly trained pit, and the pit attacks the small dog (only because the pit feels threatened) while the woman stands there explaining how cute the dog is. And it will ALWAYS be the more aggressive dogs fault. Pits are no different than any other working class breed, when properly trained they are the best/loyal dogs in the world.
i have a pit mix w/ boston terrier. she is a small dog only 30lbs but has the face of a pit and the jaw strength and activeness/muscle strength. and she is very nice friendly dog but when i take her to my parents house she is there w/ a golden retriever and this golden sometimes will just start barking at my dog for no apparent reason at all and my dog does get agrressive by just barking and stuff and until i get the golden to shut up.



my parents also have a labrador mixed with chow and my dog is very active. both females. well once i got to my parents house let my dog out and it just goes crazy running around the yard in circles and accidently hits the chow/lab dog and the chow/lab dog immediatley attacked my dog and they fought.

other than that she is very controllable i just have to keep her distance from the cho dog b/c it has a short temper. and the golden is a jealous dog that will bark if another dog gets attention over him which makes my dog irritated.

but she loves the dog park and gets along well with every breed male and female. there are a lot of pits there as well and she does very well with them and seeks them out the most as companions.


just my experience with the dog even if it is full bred.

i do want to get a purebred staffordshire but i want a house with a yard first.
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05-30-2010 , 02:57 AM
to all the life nits ITT pits will never be banned so you might as well stay in the house all day where nothing could ever possibly hurt you....LOL
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05-30-2010 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
cliffs: most pit bulls owners suck especially when they morons
FYP
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05-30-2010 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by anticon217
to all the life nits ITT pits will never be banned so you might as well stay in the house all day where nothing could ever possibly hurt you....LOL
They said that in England too.

One famous person being bit by a Pit (or worse their child being bit by one) and going on Oprah pretty soon will snowball into a ban.
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05-30-2010 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Williams
They constantly try to be the Alpha Male and will attack anything if they have the height advantage. That's why little kids are at a danger around them.
i was sitting down on the floor in someone's house when a girl came in with a MASSIVE pit/doberman cross. it took one look at me and charged my face. i started lmao (don't know why) and it pulled up short and looked at me all confused. i ended up playing with it for a while and it left all sorts of bite marks on me. those things are seriously rough animals.
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05-30-2010 , 12:47 PM
I would rather leave a well trained wolf (raised from a puppy by humans) alone with my children than a well trained pit bull.
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05-30-2010 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DBLK
I would rather leave a well trained wolf (raised from a puppy by humans) alone with my children than a well trained pit bull.
Wolves are MUCH worse for genetic aggression than Pits. Pits arent great, but lets not go overboard here.
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05-30-2010 , 01:05 PM
wolves are wild animals and not trainable to any real degree. even wolf hybrids are extremely wild.
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05-30-2010 , 01:39 PM
No Phill. Dogs are generally much more aggressive than wolves. And wolfs CAN be trained.

Wolf hybrids are dangerous because they are extremely unpredictable. In hybrid you lose behavior patterns of both the wolf and the dog.
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