Didn't read all of Krazy's posts, but jeez if you're going to talk about poodle bites you are very off base. I was bitten by a collie kind of dog and I bled in a couple of places, but it was no big deal. I told the owner it was no big deal. It's the severity that's the issue.

The bite pressure thing is a load of crap too. A lot of dogs will just snap at you like the dog that bit me. It bit me because it was scared of me. It was aggressive, but if I looked at it, it would back off. I went too long w/o looking at it and it got a couple little bites. Not full bite pressure bites, just a couple quick little scaredy bites like most dogs do. Now I would never have been bitten by a pit bull like that because I would have been a lot more careful, but if I had I doubt the pit backs off because I give it a dirty look.

A lot of the pit bull type dogs ARE in the hands of bad owners and they end up being fearless, powerful, and virtually immune to pain.

If they are banned, yes it's because of bad owners. That would not be fair to the good owners or the dogs, but that's not the whole story. If you can't see that banning the dogs would be somewhat bad for a lot of people and dogs, but really good for a few people, then you're a ****ing moron. Quit lying or pretending that this is a simple issue or quit being an idiot.

FWIW, I'll restate that I don't think pits should be banned, but on a jury I would hold a pit owner more responsible than the owner of a non-fighting breed because that owner, I think, had a greater obligation to raise a good dog.

The CDC, AVMA, etc, you know, experts, do not seem to recommend bans on breeds. Why do you think this is, suzzer? Read the conclusions and recommendations in the studies. They do not support your position at all.

suzzer, this is off topic, and mind reading, and destined to be wrong, but here goes: my fallible sense is that when you are least interested you are most likely to be right, and when you are most animated/passionate you seem most likely to be wrong.

I don't know jack about dogs other than that I tend to like them. Sometimes small dogs don't like me, but it is rare. Most dogs and me get along.

Not sure what this statement is supposed to mean exactly, especially considering that both sides in this debate seem about as equally passionate/animated as the other.

Despite that, it still seems wrong/possibly backward.

Care to elaborate? Or let me guess, you're too disinterested and cool!

It doesn't matter how passionate people itt are, like I said the people who would know what the **** they are talking about do not (at the moment) recommend ban on breeds. Unless you think the CDC, AVMA are shills for the pit bull breeding industry, which makes you insane, seems to me that we should listen to their recommendations and not base our policy off of random anecdotes and media sensationalism. No?

If you actually decided to read this thread you would know that suzzer does not necessarily support a ban on breeds.

However I actually do. I don't give a **** what the [insert BS acronym] thinks. It is definitely possible to ban specific breeds given enough public support.

Aside from that, I'd like to see just what exactly you're referring to. Please don't link me to some .whatever site, and just quote wtf you're talking about.

kthx.

Please try your best to avoid appeals to authority and just make a case on your own. ok?

Wtf why would I do that in this instance? You don't make any sense. How can I know more than people who have actually done the ****ing research as to have a worthwhile opinion? Just wing it? Why? That's insane.

Here is the case on my own: I've owned 2 alaskan malamutes, 3 siberian huskies, and a german shepherd (among large breeds) and none of them ever attacked a person. This proves that large breeds are not dangerous!

All I'm asking asking is that you post something itt to support your position. Anything at all. I have no idea what you're going on about, and rather than just assert that Association ABC says that we should do XYZ, and that it simply must be correct, despite us having no idea whatsoever their motives - financial or otherwise, perhaps we should take the time to at least analyze wtf you're talking about. That's all.

sigh

101,

It's a matter of opinion, so what you're asking of him in the discussion is completely ridiculous.

Also,

Your passive-aggressive posting style is making you look like a complete doucher.

No, read the two links. It will take 5 minutes. Questioning their motivation is laughable. How could some anecdote or argument I put forth be relevant in the face of, you know, actual advice from persons who know what they are talking about?

I saw a pit bull once and peered into it's soul, it was a kind beast! My neighbor has a mean pit bull, it always seems like it's about to attack! I know a lot of people who have gentle pit bulls! I know some people who were bit by a pit bull! These are the gist of the argument itt so far. You think this is better than research? lol

Am I really not supposed to laugh at that?


Well untouchable, don't be too offended if being called a douche by you results in hearty lol

I didn't call you a douche, I said you seem like one. Upon further reflection, you are indeed a douche.

its called a troll people... is this your 1st time on the tubes?

I have a pit and I really wouldn't mind him biting the OP

Frankie, suzzer, Matt Williams are beyond horrible in this thread

They certainly have almost no real experiences with pit bulls or similar breeds.

The pit I have is by FAR the best and most well mannered dog I've ever had or been around. I've been around countless pitbulls/members of bull terrier family. I've given money to help support pit bull rescue organizations.

Pit bulls are dog aggressive and almost only when antagonized. Untouchable isn't wrong about mistreatment. Pits are by FAR the worst treated dog nationwide. Guess what? When you put a dog on a leash in the backyard and forget to feed him for days, he bites and barks and anything that comes near him.

- As of 2000, an American Pit Bull Terrier was the most popular dog in America but was not responsible for the most human attacks

- Even the CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, not breed, are the chief cause of dog bites. They have done studies that indicate that the most "dangerous breed" of dog changes with popularity and reputation.

- It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.

These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.




The only issue I've had with my pit bull is with other dogs. It's no secret that pit bulls have been bred historically to hunt and take down larger dogs/animals. However if you have any idea whatsoever on how to raise/discipline a dog, a neutered pit at the dog park should be no problem. My dog goes to a crowded leash-free dog park 2x a week and hasn't had one significant issue in 2 years.



Also, golden retrievers can be deadly!
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityne...-mauled-by-dog

BAN THEM!

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for real though, there's nothing worse than an ******* who takes an aggressive dog to the dog park. just get the **** away from me and my dog.

What's funny is this is almost certainly a byproduct of him/her neglecting the dog and not taking it to the park/not walking it/not giving it enough social interaction

Pro pitbull ppl are winning the thread

Buncha ladies itt

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