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View Poll Results: Should pitbulls be allowed to breed
Yes 367 48.29%
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Yes but only if you have to have a special license to own one 141 18.55%
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:22 AM   #3076
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

daveT, my point was that being required to register a dog is not going to change the owner's or the dog's behavior in any way. and perhaps more to the point, the worst owners are not going to bother with registration anyway.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:09 AM   #3077
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Your talking two different worlds. In the hood, having a weapon is a matter of survival. In a safe area, it's just stupid to have a vicious dog.

I think it's okay to have a mean dog to protect your home or to hunt, just as it's okay to have a gun for the same purpose.

I'd also ask what percentage of gun owners, especially registered gun owners, accidentally shoot their neighbors and then say "well, it was the sweetest little toy. It never killed anyone before."
There are several replacement dogs that will give you the same (and extra) value.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:12 AM   #3078
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

What has been ignored in the last few pages is the fact the elimination pit bulls will destroy the dog fighting industry, to my knowledge.

Maby some of you believe the existence of a dog fighting industry is a public good.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:20 AM   #3079
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daveT, my point was that being required to register a dog is not going to change the owner's or the dog's behavior in any way. and perhaps more to the point, the worst owners are not going to bother with registration anyway.
If your neighbors call animal control over a loose dog, or a non-stop barking dog, animal control can see you didn't register. You get fines and lose the dog.

It's no different than any other regulated or banned animal, which seems fairly effective. There are many dangerous "pets" that are for more dangerous, yet they aren't going around killing innocent people. You can't own these beasts in a city.

A gun is innocuous. A dog isn't.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:08 AM   #3080
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

Here's an interesting article on pit buls in Miami-Dade county, where they are illegal:

https://www.local10.com/news/pit-bul...51127091024380

And of course, a tragic story of a 4 year old boy mauled to death by an American bulldog in Miami.

http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/08/2...-not-enforced/

Kind of an interesting article since it features confusion about the species, child protective services, drugs (ldo), and ambiguity about the law and how it pertains to the American bulldog.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:01 PM   #3081
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Feel like you'd have to be a pretty hardcore pitbull fan to want to go through some underground black market to get one. Seems like if pitbulls were made illegal 90% of people who would otherwise adopt a pit are just going to shrug their shoulders and go for another breed.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:19 PM   #3082
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Everyone here knows that there are lots of dogs that are more aggressive towards humans and more likely to bite than pit bulls. But if a scared, aggressive bison frise attacks me, I'm probably not going to end up dead or needing major reconstructive surgery.
Yeah and how people can't clearly see this is beyond me. Routine dog bites, snips etc are unfortunate but it kind of goes with the territory of owning a dog. You put a band aid on it and go about your day and life. The maimings and deaths however that come from an animal like a pitbull when it decides to attack is the differentiating factor. It's the reason why you can't own lions, tigers, gorillas, bears, etc as pets. Humans make this **** way too complicated and are emotional. It's not about your dog being cuddly or never doing it before it's about the potential and power that it has if anything ever does happen. Why someone would even want to deal with that responsibility is beyond me.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:28 PM   #3083
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Because they are a) delusional about their best boy’s destructive cababilities,

or b) get off on owning a dangerous animal


Group a) is far more dangerous.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:11 PM   #3084
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There are many dangerous "pets" that are for more dangerous, yet they aren't going around killing innocent people. You can't own these beasts in a city.
So ban them (pitbulls) then! Im not even sure what you're arguing.
Those other dangerous wild animal pets are not easy to acquire and do not get taken for walks and playtime out in public. Precisely because they are illegal to have and therefore not commonly owned. So of course they dont go around killing innocents.

Pitbulls are ridiculously common.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:55 PM   #3085
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I know their potential. I pointed that out. Do you really want to judge and ban based on potential? Pit bulls have a great upside. Smart, fun, loyal, playful, loving and they make great hiking companions. Should everyone own one? No. Should they be left alone with little kids or old people? No. Should they be allowed to breed? Only by licensed breeders.
Yes, I'd rather judge based on potential then tell a parent that my dog just killed their baby. They're just dogs, banning them to save dozens of lives seems like the no brainer decision we made when ruling people should wear helmets when riding motorcycles.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:04 PM   #3086
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

But they're the best hiking companions.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:06 PM   #3087
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So ban them (pitbulls) then! Im not even sure what you're arguing.
Those other dangerous wild animal pets are not easy to acquire and do not get taken for walks and playtime out in public. Precisely because they are illegal to have and therefore not commonly owned. So of course they dont go around killing innocents.

Pitbulls are ridiculously common.
I'm against banning pit bulls because I think they do serve a purpose. Yes, I understand that other dogs may be better for home protection, though I think it's a bit unfair because those dogs are mean and **** as well.

How often have you seen people take their Rottweiler, Alaskan Husky, wolf hybrid or similar dogs on a Sunday stroll at the dog park? I'd figure that if these weren't contained, they'd be just as much maulings as pit bulls have. The difference is that the owners of those dogs just don't do that.

So, it seems to me that there is an education problem, and that possibly started with the whole Michael Vick thing. I know I didn't see many pits before that all went down, and now they are seen as innocent victims of bad owners, which clearly isn't the case.

I brought up the 101 Dalmations collateral damage, and the same thing is happening with pit bulls today. You can get these things for free because the shelters are loaded with them. The list of dogs people buy without realizing the risks and work of owning one is quite long.

I don't think that most owners of a mean dog (outside pits) buys one as a family dog. I don't think most people would have a problem with regulating the breeding and ownership of mean dogs. It would reduce the over-breeding, reduce the amount of dogs in the shelter, and put the responsibility of the dog's whereabouts in the hands of the owner.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:11 PM   #3088
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

Michael Vick lol.

https://barkpost.com/pit-bulls-history-of-americas-dog/

https://psmag.com/environment/traged...pit-bull-75642

Posting these for the pit bull history, not for the ensuing 'pits are wonderful, it's a people problem' nonsense.

I always remember Petey from Little Rascals.

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Old 01-13-2018, 06:46 PM   #3089
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Re: Should pit bulls be allowed to breed?

If you ever want to spend some time you will never get back, YouTube pit bull attacks and you will see hundreds of videos from all over the world of them not letting go and relentlessly re-engaging as people throw water on them, smash them with shovels, rebar, owners scream "off" etc as they try to grab and shake the life out of whatever they have imprinted on---from a seal on the beach, to another dog, to a cat, to an old lady, to whatever.

Yes other dogs bite. Other dogs are used for fighting, attacking, home protection etc. Why are these dogs chosen for fighting though? It's because of these traits.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:31 PM   #3090
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If you ever want to spend some time you will never get back, YouTube pit bull attacks and you will see hundreds of videos from all over the world of them not letting go and relentlessly re-engaging as people throw water on them, smash them with shovels, rebar, owners scream "off" etc as they try to grab and shake the life out of whatever they have imprinted on---from a seal on the beach, to another dog, to a cat, to an old lady, to whatever.

Yes other dogs bite. Other dogs are used for fighting, attacking, home protection etc. Why are these dogs chosen for fighting though? It's because of these traits.
What other breeds are used for fighting?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:41 PM   #3091
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I’ve been bitten three times, once by a pit, once by a boxer, then some weird kind of terrier.

In all 3 instances the owners blamed me. I didn’t do anything except stand there.

This type of attitude seems almost universal of pit owners and dog owners in general
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:48 PM   #3092
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Iíve been bitten three times, once by a pit, once by a boxer, then some weird kind of terrier.

In all 3 instances the owners blamed me. I didnít do anything except stand there.

This type of attitude seems almost universal of pit owners and dog owners in general


Some people really seem to get off on the idea of an animal that hates everyone but them. Small penis syndrome, perhaps?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:56 PM   #3093
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The pit attack was the scariest, because it was obvious to me he wasnt even trying.

He lunged at me, got me in the upper thigh, and started doing the head shake thing. I bopped him in the head pretty hard and the owner got him to let go somehow.

Luckily I had my wallet in that same pocket for some reason... he not only ripped through the thick pants i had on, he punched a whole in my wallet and my boxers.

I was like “wtf dude” and the owner just kinda said “you startled her” and took off
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:03 PM   #3094
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They startle pretty easy like when a baby looks at them the wrong way.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:15 PM   #3095
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I thing that pisses me off the most is naturally I am a little skittish around dogs, there are some breeds that I am very comfortable around like Labrador retrievers and stuff but for the most part I don’t want much to do with them, and people as a whole see it as some kind of character flaw if you don’t ****ing love dogs
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:47 PM   #3096
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What other breeds are used for fighting?
The sick ****s who fight dogs would use anything available, but pits are preferred. I don't think a ban would curb dog fighting.

This article lists other preferred breeds used for producing fighting lines.

https://www.dog-breeds-expert.com/Do...ng-Breeds.html
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:19 PM   #3097
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They startle pretty easy like when a baby looks at them the wrong way.
ie. in the eyes.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:29 PM   #3098
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Babies should have mandatory pit training courses.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:46 PM   #3099
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The sick ****s who fight dogs would use anything available, but pits are preferred. I don't think a ban would curb dog fighting.

This article lists other preferred breeds used for producing fighting lines.

https://www.dog-breeds-expert.com/Do...ng-Breeds.html
If this is true, I would like to change my vote.

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Old 01-13-2018, 11:54 PM   #3100
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It this is true, I would like to change my vote.
Well just my opinion. Certain breeds make good fighters and pits top the list because of the damage they can do, but the fighting lines are bred for aggression, high pain tolerance and general game. That can be selected for in any breeding program of any breed. The **** heads who fight animals will use anything available if pits and other dangerous breeds are eliminated or not available so I wouldn't expect it to stop.
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