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Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed? Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed?
View Poll Results: Should pitbulls be allowed to breed
Yes
392 46.83%
No
290 34.65%
Yes but only if you have to have a special license to own one
155 18.52%

09-19-2015 , 01:36 AM
Heh, I went back and read the first page of this thread. It's interesting how much 2p2 perception (if not public perception) has changed in 6 years.

Also there's this gem:

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Originally Posted by shighley3205
I wouldn't be surprised to learn from the OP that the woman walking her dog was not controlling her dog properly.
Also I was a lot more hotheaded back then.
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09-19-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GMLAW
Are you guys offended when someone says a nova scottia duck tolling retriever is good at duck retrieving?

If no,

Why are you guys offended when someone says a pit bull is good at attacking and maiming other living beings?
Cavalier king charles make excellent royalty and a boxer currently holds the featherweight title.
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09-19-2015 , 11:49 AM
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Cavalier king charles make excellent royalty and a boxer currently holds the featherweight title.
I had a Cavalier king charles growing up... he was an awesome dog! Super friendly and would never hurt anyone.
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09-19-2015 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
ASPCA Guide to Handling Pit Bulls in the Shelter Environment directly says that pit bulls are unpredictable, don't give the traditional warning signs before attacking, are very destructive and have very powerful jaws. Keep in mind that this is a guide for ASPCA shelter workers. They have more incentive to be honest when writing something to keep their workers safe as opposed to press releases designed to solicit donations by telling pit-tards what they want to hear.
This link you posted is an upload of a powerpoint (upload by dogsbite.org, which you should tell you something there if you know the history of the woman that started that site) by a single person, and isn't very good IMO for a few reasons....

Dogs (of all breeds, including "pits") are predictable in their behavior. We rarely have staff bit by large dogs in the shelter (twice in 4 years) and we are handling tens of thousands of stressed dogs in that time. Easy to avoid being bit if you know what signs to look for.
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09-19-2015 , 03:41 PM
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Explain to me how the pitbull statistic is flawed if officers don't confuse them with other breeds.
Professional ACOs/Shelter staff and can not correctly ID mixed breed dogs:

http://www.maddiesfund.org/assets/do...y%20Poster.pdf
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09-19-2015 , 04:08 PM
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But some counties now contract all their dogs to humane societies and that's a huge problem. Rather than kill the dangerous dogs, they have to choose between eating the costs of keeping an animal for years (and they require extra resources) or finding a way to place them in a home, even when they know that it's likely that a person, child, or other animal will be harmed.


You are violating the ASPCA Guide to Handling Pit Bulls in Shelters.

The shelters just say "We gave the dog the ASPCA's 7 point aggression test and it passed". That test is known to be a joke but you can argue in court that it's the "industry standard" and "state of the art", which it is because the art is in a laughable state.
Yes, there are definitely shelters/staff who would rather adopt out an animal with a history of aggression than euthanize. The person I was replying to (maybe you) said this happens most of the time. I'm saying it's the opposite. Especially with regards to withholding information, as that is a liability issue. For obvious reasons.

So what if we are violating that guide? That guide isn't very good IMO. That's one persons opinion.

One thing about animal testing at shelters (with tests like SAFER, I'm not sure the test you refer too) is there is no way to get what you want or are maybe implying, a guarantee that an animal will not bite in the home.

At the shelter we only get to see how the animal behaves around us, in the shelter environment. If the animal passes all our handling & behavior assessments why should it not go up for adoption? This is what the public expects from us, because in general the public loves animals. If an animal comes in with a bite history or history of aggression it won't go up for adoption at our shelter. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. The SAFER test is by no means perfect, but you have to have some standard of evaluation.

Shelter's will never be able to guarantee an animal won't bite you. They do have a moral obligation to asses the animal as best as they can and make sure they are safe to adopt out to the public.

FWIW, buy a puppy from a breeder they can't guarantee you the dog won't bit you either at some point.
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09-19-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Cavalier king charles make excellent royalty and a boxer currently holds the featherweight title.
Wow, amazingly dumb. We're talking about bred for traits, not just names.
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09-20-2015 , 03:08 AM
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Wow, amazingly dumb. We're talking about bred for traits, not just names.
But for some people it's hard to believe that breeding for character traits could have any effect. It's much easier to believe that centuries of dog breeders have been wasting their time.
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09-20-2015 , 05:40 AM
Actually its not at all hard for people to people. No one gets up in arms when I say that retrievers have an instinct for chasing things and bringing them back or that sheepdogs have an instinct for herding. Its only with dogs bred for generations to be bastards that they suddenly don't believe genes influence behavior.
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09-20-2015 , 07:44 AM
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Wow, amazingly dumb. We're talking about bred for traits, not just names.
Like how chows are named chows so that they understand that during lean times we may eat them. Naming them Food Foods was considered gauche.
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09-20-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Actually its not at all hard for people to people. No one gets up in arms when I say that retrievers have an instinct for chasing things and bringing them back or that sheepdogs have an instinct for herding. Its only with dogs bred for generations to be bastards that they suddenly don't believe genes influence behavior.

Exactly what I was trying to prove. Surprise surprise: it gets ignored.

When people say they are bred as an American favorite family dog however, the genes suddenly count again. I wonder why.
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09-20-2015 , 10:30 AM
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Like how chows are named chows so that they understand that during lean times we may eat them. Naming them Food Foods was considered gauche.
Do you even know what point you're trying to make? That not all dogs breed names are meant literally?
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09-20-2015 , 09:31 PM
To be fair to the pitbulls those babies were making sandwich noises.
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10-20-2015 , 06:13 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/5-old-boy-days...172740628.html

"Tanner was bitten about 16 times, with one bit going through an artery in his neck, his grandmother, Melissa Phillips, told KFDM News.

An autopsy will determine the cause of death, but the boy's neck was so severely mauled, medical examiners were having a hard time making a final determination, officials said. "

"The same pit bulls were quarantined for 10 days in December of last year after they bit a 9-year-old girl and her mother as the pair walked by the Aloha Street home, police said"

The redneck owners of the dogs, should be put down along with the dogs.

I'm assuming they're rednecks, because that is deep in the heart of KKKountry and I think a white kid going to play at a black kids house is against the law there.
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10-20-2015 , 06:36 PM
It's also pretty stupid to let your kid go to a house where they have a pitbull.
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10-20-2015 , 06:38 PM
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It's also pretty stupid to let your kid go to a house where they have a pitbull.
Word. Forced sterilizations for everybody involved!
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10-20-2015 , 07:50 PM
Yeah they might want to rename that street too.
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10-20-2015 , 08:14 PM
Thread was overdue for a bump.
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10-21-2015 , 01:52 AM
The owner will not face charges. Not sure how i feel about that. One the one hand, the guy can't say that he had no idea the dogs would attack someone as they had recently done exactly that. On the other hand, he at least had the dogs contained on his property and executed the killer dogs on the spot.
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10-21-2015 , 04:56 AM
The dogs should have already been executed the first time they bit a 9 year old girl.
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10-21-2015 , 05:04 AM
A mother's account of her family pit bulls killing her 4 year old daughter:

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I got off work a little early that day and decided that she needed a few more presents that just couldnt wait to be bought, and then i headed home, my husband called me and wanted to know why brutus was outside when he got home i said i didnt know i was on my way home and would be there soon……..and then my nightmare began…….I pulled into the entrance of my subdivision, and noticed a red glow over the street corner, i remember wondering what on earth could be going on , on my quiet little subdivision full of daycares and minivans….As I rounded the corner I could see the street was blocked off , full of firetrucks, police, and families standing outside–i still wondered what was going on, I was flagged and told to pull over , I then looked up and saw that it was my house they were all at, my yard was taped in crime scene ribbon, full of police officers, fire personnel, lots of noise and commotion, i was met by police officers, my husband covered in blood, and my mother, all of whom were screaming, and crying , and telling me it was bad, so very bad, i asked for my kids, Kaylee was at the the neighbors, it was my Kara, my Kara had been attacked by our family pit bulls, I was told to go to the neighbors, wasn’t allowed to go anywhere near my house, or my yard, told to wait that they were ” working ” on her. I never got to see her to hold her hand, to let her know i was there and that i loved her.. I screamed , i cried, i prayed, i was dying inside …..

we were told to go to bromenn, we flew there,,,,when we got there we were greeted by the receptionist and she said to another lady—– these are the parents—- i could see her name tag said chaplain,, we were led down a hallway to a waiting room, screaming , crying, holding each other for any ounce of hope that there might be…what seemed liked an eternity was mere minutes, the doctor came in and told us she was gone they couldnt do anything for her, and to take our time to prepare to see her to say our goodbyes and make phone calls. I cannot tell you about the ensuing next couple hours it is a blur…… My daughter had been brutally and viciously mauled to death, she died from massive blood loss , her arms, legs, skull, face, and major arteries savagely damaged. the coroner said she didn’t feel the pain as they went straight for the jugular and continued to shred until she was lifeless and unrecognizable……..These were her family pit bulls that we raised from puppies . She picked them out herself. They were treated as members of the family, loved, exercised, fed well, and respected ……… they savagely murdered the little girl who loved and cared for them the most in this world without a second thought, directly following they acted as if nothing happened , she hadn’t riled them up, she hadn’t abused them, she was happily playing in the other room, they came after her and pulled her out of my mothers arms to attack , maul, and kill her. Her 2 year old sister was also there, my mother was able to save her and told her to run upstairs and hide, while she tried to get the dogs to release Kara….. My two year old little girl witnessed this mauling, the final sounds of her hero best friend sister being mauled by the family pit bulls…..The dogs she also loved and cherished……yes any dog can and will bite—- but any dog is not capable of this devastation—— please do not let your children anywhere near this breed of dog,,,something has gone horribly and inexplicably wrong with them—- it is not worth losing them, please i beg, i couldn’t stand if one more parent had to live the hell that we are living now.

PS. My brother had raised many pit bulls and one particularly captured our hearts…He was the sweetest well mannered gentle dog I had ever seen…I was always told the aggressive ones were because they were trained to fight and it was all in how they were raised….and if u got them from puppies that was the best way to raise any dog…Both of the dogs who attacked were brought home as puppies and picked out by Kara…These dogs never displayed any people aggression. ..always sat dutifully by her side ..watched her have tea parties, sat by her side when she was sick, thought they were lap dogs and liked to snuggle…..no warnings…no snapping..no growling…….just snapped!


Bolding because earlier itt someone said that pit bulls raised from puppies by decent human beings don't bite people.

Last edited by JayTeeMe; 10-21-2015 at 05:13 AM.
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10-21-2015 , 06:55 AM
She probably did something stupid like look them in the eyes.



BTW that's not me trying to get a cheap laugh at this girls expense, just my bitterness at the idiocy of pitbull owners.
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10-21-2015 , 07:09 AM
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That's the rub, I don't have experience with pits other than my own. We've always provided a loving home, plenty of room to run around, etc. I learned to walk by grabbing onto out pits ear and having her drag me around.

We had one incident with a friend of mine who got bit in the cheek by our pit. I fully blame my friend, he decided it would be a good idea to stare my pit in the eyes while he was eating dinner. Any dog will bit if it feels challenged.
Can you imagine being in an idiot pit owner's home, getting mauled and then being blamed because you looked the dog in the eyes?
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10-21-2015 , 07:28 AM
Yeah that fuluck thing is probably the dumbest thing posted in OOT this year, and obviously there's plenty of competition (including in this thread).
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10-21-2015 , 08:00 AM
damn... reading these stories makes me so pissed off. wtf are these parents thinking owning pits or letting their children be in the same house as a pit? it's pretty common knowledge that these dogs randomly attack children... yet they still think it's a good idea to put their children around these ticking time bombs.

the poor kids... such a savage way to die.

people really need to start saying something to these idiot parents. obviously it's not going to go over well... but there needs to be more of a stigma against owning pits. people need to talk to these parents and tell them how irresponsible they're being and that they're putting their child at risk.

for once, I'm actually happy with my government (Ontario, Canada) that they banned this stupid breed.
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