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I really liked dog parks for awhile (great place to meet women) but I have just seen way too many stupid owners and poorly socialized dogs to bear them any longer. I'm afraid of the consequences for my dog if he were to ever get into a real fight. He has a great temperament but he's a physical freak and I'm afraid of him reacting to some random dog going after him and him doing real damage.

Dog daycare ftw.

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01-26-2010 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy8s

Guns
I have some of them. I don't take them to the strip and point them at people or shoot them at people (unless they deserve it

) But there are a lot of instances where that happens...therefore BAN? Um...no

Don't guns actually have a lot of regulations restricting who can own them, how you are allowed to carry them etc.? (not to mention that plenty of weapons are outright banned for civilians)

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01-26-2010 , 07:01 PM

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It's more like saying a real gun is more dangerous than a bb gun.

When something has the potential to cause severe and irreparable harm, there's a requirement for due diligence on the part of the person who takes on the responsibility of owning it.

And it isnt enough to just hold the owner responsible once that **** goes down, because often they won't be able to compensate the victims adequately and the litigation process ends up being such an enormous cost that it's barely even worth pursuing.

For the same reason why car insurance is mandatory, it's not unreasonable to make it mandatory to insure any dog that is physically capable of ****ing people up severely. The chances of having a fatal car accident are remote.. .and the chances of a pitbull (or any other large and aggressive dog) is generally speaking remote... but you cant just absolve yourself of responsibility because you have the general belief that you're a 'good owner'.

That doesnt mean you're going to be paying through the teeth to insure your dog. It will be proportional to whatever the actual risks / potential damages are.

And the cost of that will go down based on how well trained it is / how it performs at a state sponsored evaluation.

Much like it's illegal to drive without auto insurance, it should be illegal (and heavily fined) to own a potentially dangerous dog without insurance.

Can you always enforce it? no.
There will be people who slip by, and keep their dog out of sight.
But if they are caught, it should carry heavy fines - just as driving without insurance does.
And if their dog does snap, and they never bothered to register/insure/train it formally - then they should be held criminally responsible for negligence.

And it doesnt matter how many animal advocacy groups are against that; they're not the ultimate arbiters of what is right with animal laws - just as I wouldnt trust the NRA to decide on an effective gun law. it's a public policy decision, and it's something more suited for an economist to evaluate than a veterinary organization.

so what about all the people that disagree that this is as big of a problem as you do? They're just insta-wrong? even though they can provide just as many dressed up facts as you can "proving" the contrary?

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01-26-2010 , 07:05 PM

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No, they'll just never be convinced otherwise, which is why this thread is starting to become a vicious cycle of suck and dumb that just keeps rehashing the same thing.

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02-02-2010 , 07:08 PM

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http://www.latimes.com/sns-ap-us-dog...wed+Stories%29

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One dog, a mastiff, pulled the girl from her mother's hand and "and tossed the child around like a rag doll," Decker said.

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Shortly after the attack, police found the dogs near their home. One was shot when it attacked an officer and the other four — the mastiff and what appeared to be pit bull mixes — were taken to an animal shelter, Decker said.

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The owners, who cooperated with police, could be cited for failing to properly confine their pets but they were not immediately ticketed, he said.

"My understanding is they are very sorry about what happened," Decker said.

Wtf, so is no one responsible for keeping a pack of dogs capable of doing this in an unsecured environment? Just a random unlucky tragedy? No point assigning blame or liability?

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02-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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This is the problem. Low punishment for the owners equals high numbers of ****** owners who dont care their dog is dangerous.

The charge should be the equiv to what you get if you hit someone in a car. Your dog kills a kid you get charged and convicted then you get sentenced to mid single figures to low double figures in jail time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

Its pretty clear the laws are missing the mark and as ive said earlier in the thread here in the UK (in London anyway) there is a rise in violent dogs being bought and used instead of knives and guns which have MUCH worse penalties.

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02-02-2010 , 11:01 PM

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like the saying goes "you can't pet out a thousand years worth of fight"

pit bulls are stupid and a huge liability, but thats just my opinion. if my neighbor had one and i had a small kid, i'd poison it. go to the dog pound and you'll see its ****ing 80% pit mix's.

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02-03-2010 , 12:16 AM

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<sigh>..............\

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02-05-2010 , 06:43 AM

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I think that not everyone should have them, you should fullfill some requirements, and the everything should be ok

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02-05-2010 , 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

London's gun laws are failing horribly though...

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02-05-2010 , 12:42 PM

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Define failing horribly. Do you have stuff like this?

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-1...ywood-Shootout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_hollywood_shootout

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02-05-2010 , 12:49 PM

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Define failing horribly. Do you have stuff like this?

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-1...ywood-Shootout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_hollywood_shootout

Ironically, this would have been a great time to have a couple pits around.

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02-05-2010 , 12:54 PM

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Pit vs. villain with head-to-toe body armor and endless high-powered ammunition. As badass as they are I'm going to have to give that round to the bad guys.

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02-05-2010 , 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Define failing horribly. Do you have stuff like this?

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-1...ywood-Shootout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_hollywood_shootout

Do we?

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02-05-2010 , 01:05 PM

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Define failing horribly. Do you have stuff like this?

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-1...ywood-Shootout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_hollywood_shootout

Sorry for the derail suzzer, should have left that comment alone, but obviously I didn't...

http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...wisted-outcome
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/t...w-abiding.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/no...shootings-rise

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02-05-2010 , 01:22 PM

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has anyone every told you that you are just a horrible human being? just curious...

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02-05-2010 , 01:25 PM

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That's a weird looking dog in your avatar?

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02-05-2010 , 01:26 PM

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I wrote:

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Originally Posted by rufus147

London's gun laws are failing horribly though...

You probably dont see it but you agree with me 100%.

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02-05-2010 , 01:28 PM

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That's a weird looking dog in your avatar?

you couldnt even change the joke around to be original? is patheti-sad a word?

ima let my pits eat you.

and i dont believe that was a question was it? Whats with the question mark? take a deep breath first 27... i know its hard being in front of the class.

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02-05-2010 , 01:30 PM

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i read an article awhile ago about a guy who found a gun and turned it in to the police and was promplty charged with prison time for possessing a fire arm.

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02-05-2010 , 01:39 PM

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you couldnt even change the joke around to be original? is patheti-sad a word?

ima let my pits eat you.

and i dont believe that was a question was it? Whats with the question mark? take a deep breath first 27... i know its hard being in front of the class.

you are horrible on all fronts.

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02-05-2010 , 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 27offsuit

you are horrible on all fronts.

go drink another redbull and try again. I think you're running out of steam.

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02-05-2010 , 02:00 PM

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you will be my first ever ffvb super-ignore.

it's not so much your stupid avatar, its the fact that the sole reason you have it is to irritate people, which you said yourself was the case.

bye *******.

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02-05-2010 , 02:02 PM

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so im not going to have you trolling me every time i make a post in oot?
thats a bad thing?

pfff only took you 5 years to do it.... passive aggressive elitist.