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Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed? Should pit bull owners be allowed to breed?
View Poll Results: Should pitbulls be allowed to breed
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Yes but only if you have to have a special license to own one
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01-23-2010 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
[banging head on desk]

really...little melodramatic don't you think.
um no?
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01-23-2010 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
Biased = yes, I happen to LOVE DOGS and think the pitbull get a very bad rap.

emotional Inconsiderate fool.....really that's all you got. Show me where I have been any of those things here. I gave you background on my statements and asked you to do the same as you make the typical...whaaa whaaa whaaa pitbulls are mean so there statements.

First of all I was referring to suzzers point about pit owners, not you.


Secondly, Ive addressed every single weak point you've made, which incidentally, have all been made numerous times before you. I don't know what more you want from me.
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01-23-2010 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 101
um no?
Ok, so time for a little education...After a bit of research just for you...

...............

So the American Temperament Test Society, Inc. (ATTS) tests all breeds of dogs. for their relationship with humans and the resulting temperment of that breed here are a few statistics from their testing results

The numbers are in the following order #tested / #passed / #failed / %passed

AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 665 567 98 85.3%
STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER 92 81 11 88.0%
http://www.atts.org/statistics.html

Pit Bulls attack more than any other breed.

NO. The statistical data on dog bites and attacks are inaccurate. Many dog bites are never reported. There is nothing in place to track dog bites in the US accurately.

............................

Pit Bulls have locking jaws.

NO! The pit bull’s jaws are the same as any other breed of dog! Any Veterinarian can verify this is simply a myth. Actually, pit bulls do less damage because they bite and hold, where other dogs bite/release/bite that causes more bleeding and damage.
Prepared by: Al W. Stinson, D.V.M.

Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. "“I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy
deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JAW LOCKING IN ANY BREED."

There is no scientific proof that pit bulls or any other breed of dog is dangerous. The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier.” All terriers have animal prey drive, but this does not make them dangerous or vicious.

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Pit Bulls have a 1600 PSI Jaw Pressure.

WRONG AGAIN! There is currently no device available for measuring dog bites for pressure for pit bulls or any other animal.

The ACF states: “According to the current scientific research there is no proof that the Pit Bull can bite harder than any other breed. There is no proof that the Pit Bull is genetically vicious and statistics have been greatly manipulated.

......................


So there are a few ACTUAL professional statements from those far more educated in animal behavior than I. Sorry no mention of an amputation or a casket in there for you.
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01-23-2010 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 101
yes we're talking about serious injury and actual deaths itt. a poodle bite requires a few stitches on average. a pitbulls' bite..an amputation or casket. see the diff?

worldwide documented cases >>>> one persons dog park sample size
lolz
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01-23-2010 , 03:43 AM
Oh and BTW the beloved family dog (and I have and a few of them throughout my life only scored 4 points higher than these terrible and ferociously dangerous dreaded pit bulls.

LABRADOR RETRIEVER 721 663 58 92.0%

So I think this shows there is a bit of the 24 Hr. cable news / sensationalized news generation at work here. The people that actually test the breeds show this breed of dog DOES NOT have temperment issues thus, not a dangerouse breed.


The totals for their testing to date...

TOTALS 28,955 23,711 5,244 81.9%

So that puts the two pit breads WAY over the standard mean for ALL breeds...
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01-23-2010 , 03:50 AM
Ok....so which ones are not addressed? I think that the prev. 3 posts cover a LARGE spectrum of those anti-pit statements.
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01-23-2010 , 04:01 AM
I'm trying to mostly stay out of this abortion of a thread, but I'd just like to say that this:

"There is no scientific proof that pit bulls or any other breed of dog is dangerous"

is a pretty funny quote.
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01-23-2010 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
Ok....so which ones are not addressed? I think that the prev. 3 posts cover a LARGE spectrum of those anti-pit statements.
If by large spectrum you mean absolutely none, then yes.

us: Pitbulls are dangerous - they attack with no warning, with more viciousness, are more likely to be dog aggressive and don't let go. They and a couple other breeds kill more people each year than any others by a large margin.

you: PITBULLS DO NOT HAVE LOCKING JAWS!!!!

ok

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

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According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
But yeah, no where does it say that pits bite more often or have the strongest jaws in the dog kingdom. So I guess you win.

Last edited by suzzer99; 01-23-2010 at 04:14 AM.
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01-23-2010 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
Ok, so time for a little education...After a bit of research just for you...

...............

So the American Temperament Test Society, Inc. (ATTS) tests all breeds of dogs. for their relationship with humans and the resulting temperment of that breed here are a few statistics from their testing results

The numbers are in the following order #tested / #passed / #failed / %passed

AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 665 567 98 85.3%
STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER 92 81 11 88.0%
http://www.atts.org/statistics.html

Pit Bulls attack more than any other breed.

NO. The statistical data on dog bites and attacks are inaccurate. Many dog bites are never reported. There is nothing in place to track dog bites in the US accurately.

............................

Pit Bulls have locking jaws.

NO! The pit bull’s jaws are the same as any other breed of dog! Any Veterinarian can verify this is simply a myth. Actually, pit bulls do less damage because they bite and hold, where other dogs bite/release/bite that causes more bleeding and damage.
Prepared by: Al W. Stinson, D.V.M.

Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. "“I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy
deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JAW LOCKING IN ANY BREED."

There is no scientific proof that pit bulls or any other breed of dog is dangerous. The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier.” All terriers have animal prey drive, but this does not make them dangerous or vicious.

......................

Pit Bulls have a 1600 PSI Jaw Pressure.

WRONG AGAIN! There is currently no device available for measuring dog bites for pressure for pit bulls or any other animal.

The ACF states: “According to the current scientific research there is no proof that the Pit Bull can bite harder than any other breed. There is no proof that the Pit Bull is genetically vicious and statistics have been greatly manipulated.

......................


So there are a few ACTUAL professional statements from those far more educated in animal behavior than I. Sorry no mention of an amputation or a casket in there for you.
This post is ridiculous, im not even sure what its trying to prove. If its that pitbulls arent dangerous, then thats just ******ed. But on the other hand, youve seen poodles bite people before, so I guess you must be right.
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01-23-2010 , 04:12 AM
so sorry for using the term 'locking' for anything other than a galvanized deadbolt

lol keep it coming
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01-23-2010 , 04:12 AM
There is no scientific proof that pit bulls or any other breed of dog is dangerous. The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier.” All terriers have animal prey drive, but this does not make them dangerous or vicious.

suzzer99....I can't make it ANY clearer than that. Are you for real?
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01-23-2010 , 04:13 AM
We know you can't.

We know you can't.
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01-23-2010 , 04:16 AM
In before - "Haven't really read the whole thread, but my pit wouldn't hurt a fly!" Wheeee...
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01-23-2010 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
There is no scientific proof that pit bulls or any other breed of dog is dangerous. The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier.” All terriers have animal prey drive, but this does not make them dangerous or vicious.

suzzer99....I can't make it ANY clearer than that. Are you for real?
Read the study posted up above that shows pits, rottys and presario canarios are responsible for a majority of all dog deaths and maulings. Respond please.

Also - "The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier." Really? Wow. Crack research team you've got over there.
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01-23-2010 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cplo42
This post is ridiculous, im not even sure what its trying to prove. If its that pitbulls arent dangerous, then thats just ******ed. But on the other hand, youve seen poodles bite people before, so I guess you must be right.
Are you kidding me? I lay out SEVERAL places that show that the "PITBULLS ARE DANGEROUS TO US ALL" is a MYTH and all you got is "YOU ARE ******ED"....

And the poodle thing was an actual life experience. So I'll stand by that as well.


BTW, before you call someone ******ed take a look at your keyboard...the key with the little ' & " on it. it's used in those words like "that's" and "you've"...go on give it a try.
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01-23-2010 , 04:22 AM
Way to ignore the fatality/mauling study. Don't like that one here's another from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dog50.pdf

Wanna take a guess at the most common breed associated with fatalities?

Oh look, here's another one from a totally different time period: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dog1.pdf



Sweethearts those animals.

Last edited by suzzer99; 01-23-2010 at 04:31 AM.
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01-23-2010 , 04:24 AM
rofl this guy is a riot
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01-23-2010 , 04:26 AM
don't worry pro-pitbullers, i understand that you do have some valid points, and that this guy doesn't necessarily represent you in any way shape or form
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01-23-2010 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Read the study posted up above that shows pits, rottys and presario canarios are responsible for a majority of all dog deaths and maulings. Respond please.
I did in my long post. It was that part about the statistical inaccuracies in the United States.


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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Also - "The ACF’s collective experience and research has found the American Pit Bull Terrier is a “terrier." Really? Wow. Crack research team you've got over there.

Terrier is a breed rocket scientist....That breed is broken out in groups. They are stating that this grouping of the Terrier breed has a strong prey drive but is not anymore dangerous than another....shees really?
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01-23-2010 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Way to ignore the fatality/mauling study. Don't like that one here's another from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dog50.pdf

Wanna take a guess at the most common breed associated with fatalities?
Did you even read what you just linked?
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01-23-2010 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Did you even read what you just linked?
Yes. As has been said there are plenty of good arguments against breed specific bans. Right now we are just arguing with Krazy8s about whether bite frequency is equivalent to dangerousness, or locking jaws is equivalent to dog that simply will not let go.
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01-23-2010 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 101
don't worry pro-pitbullers, i understand that you do have some valid points, and that this guy doesn't necessarily represent you in any way shape or form

WTF....What are you not getting? My point here is that IT IS NOT THE BREED.

What ever\\
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01-23-2010 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
I did in my long post. It was that part about the statistical inaccuracies in the United States.





Terrier is a breed rocket scientist....That breed is broken out in groups. They are stating that this grouping of the Terrier breed has a strong prey drive but is not anymore dangerous than another....shees really?
You can't be this dumb to completely miss the joke. Do you play poker?
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01-23-2010 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Krazy8s
Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. "“I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy
deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JAW LOCKING IN ANY BREED."
I seriously cant stop laughing at this
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01-23-2010 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yes. As has been said there are plenty of good arguments against breed specific bans. Right now we are just arguing with Krazy8s about whether bite frequency is equivalent to dangerousness, or locking jaws is equivalent to dog that simply will not let go.
Read this too
http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf
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