those people are a form of ******ed cancer. be happy you dont have to deal with their autism anymore.

i love posting in those comments, its ****ing fun af to imagine their sub 70 IQ brains trying to grasp that their pits are ****ing cancer.

"X kills 3rd graders but they should be allowed to Y because there are laws against Z" is pretty common in our society.

I don't know a lot about dogs because duh they are all terrible but the pro-pitters often argue that almost all dogs we call pitbulls are of mixed breed and it is very hard to identify actual pitbulls. Is there any merit to that argument? If true, what is the cutoff/solution iyo?

eventually they will be fazed out completely 3-5 more years, when all those pits die and go directly to hell with their owners.

then it will be like 0-1 bite per year, if its an illegal dog or something. i live in ontario so its nice

My view is than a double manslaughter conviction and attendant civil action are appropriate; and I think I can anticipate your reaction that such a remedy, while better than nothing, doesn’t go far enough and that a ban would be better.

I can’t say I wholly disagree with you.

Sure, I'm fine with, cars kill people but we let people drive because there are laws against dangerous driving, vehicular manslaughter, impaired driving, etc., because banning all cars rather than just trying to mitigate the risk through legal consequences would be a net negative.

I wouldn't be fine with, drunk drivers kill people but we let people drive drunk because there are laws against injuring/killing someone when you drive drunk, because there's no downside to just banning drunk driving outright.

I'm also not fine with, pit bulls kill children and seniors but we let people own pit bulls because there are laws against dog attacks, because the outlawing pit bulls in order to reduce dog killings is a net positive.

Here the law prohibits anyone in Ontario to breed, buy, or sell pit bulls, defined as pit bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, American pit bull terriers, and any dog with “an appearance and physical characteristics that are substantially similar” to those breeds. Seems reasonable to me.

These examples are simple clear cut cases but there are tonnes of the ones who are similar/the same to the pitbull and we still don't gaf. I don't care fwiw, Im anti pit and consistency as a requirement for positions is overrated. We just shouldn't pretend that pitbulls are some kind of special case and THATS why we decide to take action. We do it because its what we seem to be winning at wrt restricting them atm so I say go for it but there are a lot of things that are here and here to stay which do much more harm then the pits do and also have a net negative effect on society.

Seems fine and somewhat enforceable to me.

Already laws on the books. Nothing to see here. Close the thread.

48% of people have it right here. All others can eat a bag of pit bull dicks.

This past Sunday I believe my dog was almost mauled by 2 pitbulls. I say believe, because the attack was stopped within seconds after I kicked one of them in the neck and a couple seconds after that the owners got them under control.

I'm curious, however, if people agree that my fears and reaction were correct.

I was walking with my dog, and these two other dogs came out of a gully and ran full speed at my dog and pounced on him. As far as I could tell in the heat of the moment, one of them had it's mouth open and was going right for my dog's throat. I wasn't willing to wait the two seconds it would take for their owners to get there, hence the kick. That successfully backed the dogs off for enough time so the owners could get control. I picked my dog up and he suffered no damage at all. But I feel pretty strongly that he would be dead or badly hurt if another instant had gone by.

I'm curious if those more familiar with pitbulls than I, think my perception of danger was unwarranted here? I would have been curious what the owners thought as well, but they just took their dogs and walked away without saying a word.

Good job man. Pretty sure your dog would have got munched.

What did the owners say?

as i said, they had a bizarre reaction:

Ah sounds like bad owners then. Not the pits' fault. Owners should stop being bad owners.

If any dog runs at your dog in an aggressive manor and the owner doesn't have control of it you'd be negligent to your own pet to wait and see imo. It's your responsibility to protect your pet the best you can and that includes kicking a potentially attacking dog or not letting it run at other dogs to get kicked.

Matt, those probably aren't pit bulls. If two of them want your dog, it's getting your dog.

One of the people in an old neighborhood had his dog attacked by a pit bull. He took a shovel and kept beating the dog on it's head. That didn't change the outcome. Maybe those were babies, and I would have called animal control on them. They wouldn't be able to do anything, but at least you have a report on file for when something does happen.

Laws don’t stop dog attacks, geniuses. These creatures are a menace to society and should be eradicated. Nearly 3000 posts in this thread filled with attack after attack. They serve no purpose that a gentler breed can’t serve. Destroy them all.

I'm confident they were pit bull mixes, but agree they were not purebred. I think those concerned about pitbulls would also be worried about a mix where evidence of the breed is obvious.

That's where I'm curious about the opinion of pit bull/ pitbull mix owners. I talked to a guy I know who loves pit bulls and he felt that snapping the attacking dog out of attack mode was definitely the right play. And he also believes that snapping an otherwise friendly pit out of attack mode is possible. So long as you can get that done before it actually bites.

I had another dog attacked by a pit bull mix. It latched on to her and didn't let go until five construction workers started kicking it in the ribs. My repeated hitting it on the head with a rock did not phase it.

I do have to say I've met dozens of friendly pitbulls at the dog park. My dogs have played with them. So I do stand by my vote that the breed need not be eradicated. I'd rather see enforced licenses and/or severe penalties for any dog attacks by any breed, including attacks on other animals.

And with all that said, I'm also curious what makes nice, normal people want to own a breed like that? The one guy I know treated his like loaded weapons. He never let them be in a situation where a fight was possible. But for him, the personal relationship he had with them was loving and special. Somehow different than with other breeds.

Dude. That pit mix that had to get bludgeoned off your dog was a friendly pit 99.x percent of its life. Ffs. You think these dogs are trying to eat everything that moves all day every day?

I don't know that's true at all. That same dog never turned on any of the humans beating it to hell. To this day, I feel bad for that dog. It was loose with no collar and no owner around. After they got it off and wrapped a hose around its neck, it just sat there panting and grinning. Why shouldn't I believe it would have attacked other dogs on a regular basis, given the opportunity?

Mat,

I think you’re on solid moral ground if two pit-looking dogs race aggressively towards yours. If the owners scream “they’re friendly” then he situation might change.

Treating your pit like a loaded weapon is how I think it should be done.

I used to have the friendly breed of Chihuahua. It was cute as a button, scary quiet, and was loved by almost everyone who met him.

But going to the park was out of the question for the most part because he'd attack any dog. It was always tense to watch him with other dogs because I knew what was going to happen and it was just a matter of counting the seconds. He just never acclimated to dogs.

The point of all that is that dogs are, by nature, territorial animals, and any dog can be triggered and you don't always know what will cause it. You can pull a dog's tail all day, but if it sees a human holding a balloon, then it's just a matter of damage control.

Because it wouldn't have made it to adulthood most likely? Sure there are some dogs who are basically quarantined and may be snarling beasts all the time, but consider how many of the stories linked itt had dogs who were obviously around people and then one day attacked. Many of these attacked their own owners. Plenty kill dogs they lived with. Plenty were always sweet and loving until they acted out of character. No matter what, most of them spend the vast, vast majority of their lives not attacking anything or anyone. You interacting with them during that period of time and determining they are not ever going to is ridic. Mahem, whether by humans or other animals, is a tiny moment in a generally long life.

I feel for the dog too. It should not exist. We made these animals. We brought them into existence. That's why I think any putbull lover should be for a ban. It's ****ing cruel what happens to this breed and, yes, plenty of them are probably sweet and would be for their whole lives. Many of those are destined to be killed in shelters. Others are placed in situations where they act on instinct and pay the price for it. "Advocates" are not advocating for the breed, they are advocating for their own selfish desires. The dogs are also victims, not just the animals and people they attack.

I have a tiny 4 lb chihuahua rescue. Love the **** out of that dog but I wish that breed would also be banned. He has been inbred to the point where he has all kinds of health issues...teeth are rotting, hips are a mess already, he is scared of people rightfully so and has been accidentally injured more than once. Yeah I am attached to him and my family got plenty of joy from his existence and he has had a damn good life with us, but it should be criminal to design an animal that doesn't fit comfortably in the environment we force it into.

https://barkpost.com/most-common-bre...shelters-2015/

I certainly agree that the statistics regarding chihuahuas and pit bulls winding up in shelters is disgusting. In most ways, I pretty much agree with your perspective. My favorite dogs have always been goofy, friendly mutts.

My wife wanted a pug until I made this same argument. It's cruel to breed dogs that will have a miserable existence. If we buy this one, one more will be bred to replace it. If we buy a more humanely bred dog, or better yet get a mutt from a shelter, we don't contribute to it. She saw my point immediately and agreed with me.

Point being: Apparently I won the wife lottery.

My daughter wants a tiny little white dog. Are any of those little dog breeds bred in a humane way?