That sounds much more reasonable to me than any porn-based explanation.

That's very interesting about women and noise. I always thought that it was nature's way of letting the male know that the female had rolled onto the TV remote so he would know exactly where to find it as soon as he was finished.

Learn something new every day. Thanks.

Also, as some research has found a small but statistically significant increase in sperm uptake during female orgasm contractions, there may have been an evolutionary advantage to being one of the men who wasn't first in line, as women (on average) take longer than men to climax, particularly when the primary stimulation is just intercourse. A male who got there later when she had already been "warmed up" (for lack of a better term) by previous partners and who reached climax with that later partner may have had a small advantage in sperm competition.

Interesting RJ, any comments about the fluid issue? Tbh it's made me want to have less sex because it's kind of disgusting how much of that liquid ends up on me and I still don't feel clean after a shower.

Maybe the liquid should be looked as saliva?

Not really weird, just a little wild. Perhaps others can learn from my story.

The then girlfriend and I decided to vist a state park a few miles from the college we were attending and take a walk. On the spur of the moment during the walk, we decided to make love in the great outdoors.

When reaching an area where I didn't think we could be seen, we realized the first problem with our plan. Given it was spur of the moment, we didn't bring a blanket. Thinking quickly, we decided to use her t-shirt. Problem number two was it was a pretty small t-shirt and so she couldn't lie down on it.

Having made love in many different positions before, we just decided to do it doggy style. Preliminaries over, she gets down on her hands and knees and then I enter her. While thrusting, I closed my eyes and give in to the various sensations. The warmth of the sun's rays, the cool breeze, being inside my lover, and the sounds she was making. After some time, I opened my eyes as I was getting close and got a shock.

We weren't as hidden as I thought and we had a couple watching us. What was worse the male member of the couple was a resident assistant on the floor of my dorm. Being the polite person I am, I immediately stopped and alerted my lover that we had been seen.

Ahh, who am I kidding? As my male member was unaffected by having an audience, I kept on. I had one of the most explosive orgasms I had ever experienced, but my lover hadn't reached hers yet so I kept going.

With my strength dwindling, my lover's moans increased, she arched her back, her body shuddered, and she came. With both of us spent, I leaned forward and whispered in her ear that we had an audience. Getting off her t-shirt, we discovered the next problem.

Her t-shirt was a very vivid piece of evidence of what we had been doing. Given she couldn't walk around with her t-shirt on or in her bra and shorts, I loaned her my t-shirt. This didn't make a very pretty picture as I was very thin back then.

I felt sure all the people we saw on the way back to the car had to know what we had been doing, but our audience weren't among the people. I felt sure I would hear about it from the RA when I got back to the dorm, but I never did while I was still in college.

So if you are going to do it outdoors, make sure you can't be seen and bring a blanket.

I did run into my former RA a few years later while playing minature golf and he was still with the woman he had been with when he was part of our audience. I didn't see him on the way back because my girlfriend and I had turned his girlfriend on and she had demanded that he either take her right then or take her back to his room. He opted for the latter.

Slipslope,

You really have a problem with vaginal juices (said like John Cleese) being on your dick?

Just make her clean up her mess.

slipslope - Good sex is supposed to be messy.

Interesting stuff. How long ago was this suspected of happening?

Heh, yeah. I typically want to bathe myself in it.

I don't mind it on my dick, it just bothers me that it gets all over my balls and thighs. Also some girls have ruined my bedding and mattress.

Vaginal juice - best mustache conditioner.

I mean, if you look at this from the woman's point of view, it's not like semen is all that fun either. It's sticky and bitter and even women who love sex aren't likely to go into a diner, sit down, and order a big old glass of spunk (if such a thing existed) (not that there's anything wrong with that). It's all about context. In the heat of the moment, it's all good.

It sounds to me like you've been with some women who produce at the high end of the spectrum in terms of vaginal lubrication. Just like most other things, including semen production, there's a continuum of normal output. Some women just get really, really wet, I guess, and that squicks you out. There's nothing inherently abnormal or disgusting about it; you could, in fact, choose to look at it as a compliment, that being with you turns them on so much they just get super wet. You big stud you.

Sounds like you should either a) dealwithit.gif or b) find women who are on the lower end of the lubrication continuum so you aren't squicked out by all that icky fluid.

+1

Well the research is fairly current AFAIK (given that research into sex in general and female sexuality in particular, in terms of being able to actually measure things like amount of sperm moved around by orgasmic contractions, is relatively new/recent when you're talking about scientific research), but the text I read talked about the evolution of human sexuality within a nomadic/preagricultural context and how that is at odds with our modern norms within the agricultural era.

Hey want to go to my place for a drink? Wait, on a scale of 1-10, how much vaginal fluid do you produce during sex?

I'll all about honesty, so sure, go for the direct approach, although not necessarily during the pick-up.

Or you could just date, ****, and only keep around the ones who don't meet your particular wetness standard.

Frankly I think learning to just deal with it is probably healthier, but as you're under no obligation to do so, and people dump other people for all sorts of standards they don't meet. If you can't learn to feel the fluid, then chalk it up as one of your own personal hard rules and once you learn a particular candidate violates it, end the relationship.

This isn't rocket science.

But there's no way for a woman to turn down the tap, so to speak. We produce what we produce, just like men do. It'll vary somewhat depending on frequency of sexual activity, but a high volume producer is always going to be a high volume producer unless, IDK, she's severely dehydrated or something.

Yeah I guess just go with the flow

Embrace the wetness.

Now that's where I draw the line.

Slipslope, find some squirting porn to put things in perspective.

I've been with a couple squirters, one was even kind enough to mention that we should put a towel down prior. Basically what happens is that there is immense pressure and it's nearly impossible to remain inside the girl and fluid goes everywhere.

On a related note, I've taken to enjoying lesbian bukkake vids.

If only the kind Sgt RJ had counselled tbabs this thoroughly. What shoulda, coulda, woulda have been.

That is hot. There is a bree Olson ffm vid with a surprise ending you might be interested in

I feel like you guys might be overthinking the cuckold fantasy thing a little bit. Based on no evidence at all, but doesnt it seem likely that its simply an insecurity-based fantasy, like many other fetishes? The ultimate sign of your significant others desirability is her being ****ed by a highly desirable male partner. I dont think there are many guys that get off on being cuckolded by some girl they've been on 2 dates with. Its reflected glory, albeit in sort of a sad way. Most guys like their wives to be ogled a little, or for their friends to make occasional comments about their wives. The same way you want someone to notice your fancy new sports car. It gives value to your "conquest."

I'm not endorsing these ideas personally or saying that women are objects, before we go on some useless derail.

I guess for some there is some humiliation aspect involved as well, but that isnt really any different than masochist fetishes.

To my understanding the humiliation aspect is usually a central tenet of cuckolding, not something that some don't really experience, but I guess there's always some diversity.

There's no reason a fantasy can't fulfill multiple needs or fetishes in part or in whole. Or that a specific overriding characteristic (like getting off on humiliation) can't be part of multiple fetishes.

I was just responding to someone who said that cuckolding didn't make sense from an evolutionary psychology perspective. Although if you combine that perspective with a more modern sense of ownership that was the prevailing attitude of men over women until only very recently (historically speaking), I think it makes logical sense that an inherited disposition to be turned on by watching other men have sex with a woman you're going to have sex with, combined with a sense of ownership or possession of a sexual partner, could develop into a cuckolding fetish, particularly for those who get some excitement from humiliation.

Also I get off on over thinking things so there you go.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...llectuals.html

“The high point of cuckolding is when your wife says she wants the other guy all the time and never wants you.”