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Old 11-21-2009, 06:14 PM   #426
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Re: Radiohead: The best band of our time.

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Old 11-21-2009, 06:15 PM   #427
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I don't get why this has to be such a heated thread. As a musician, these Radiohead songs blow my mind:

The Pyramid Song
Sail to the Moon

That's pretty goddamn sophisticated stuff. Whether or not it moves you is purely subjective, but I find it very moving. No other band out there right now can touch them in terms of making the most groundbreaking music reaching the most ears. By that admittedly arbitrary and vague measure, I consider them the best.
I don't even know how to respond to this post without just feeling like I'm just trolling. A couple of chords on the piano (straight quarter notes endlessly) with a guy mumbling over it and some string parts in the background is pretty goddamn sophisticated?
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:22 PM   #428
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Who cares how complex music is? if you can play 3 notes and create something with feeling and 'soul', then what does it matter that its 3 notes?

Some of the most important books of all time are very ugly in form and grammar...keep that in mind.


all that said...I would never claim its sophisticated or groundbreaking...I'd just said its honest...also, radiohead is overrated....boom
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:52 PM   #429
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I should make a Nickelback thread on this subject
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:54 PM   #430
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You really can't tell the difference between Paranoid Android, Airbag, Karma Police, Electioneering etc? Using massive hyperbole to make an awful point doesnt' make you even semi-correct.

But, basing your entire opinion on a band that's been around for over 20 years and releasing music for over 15 on one album really speaks volumes about your opinion and thought processes/rationalization in general.
no i really cant tell the difference. seriously. they are all just slow whiny music, occasionally slow whiny voice.

and the second comment is so unbelievably dumb and speaks volumes about your own thought processes.

i heard what is considered to be their best stuff. i thought it all sucked hard. explain why i would go and find other stuff? i even stated itt that my comments were based on ok computer.

in fact, lets talk wu tang clan. they have released a ****load more music than radiohead, so obviously you either have heard almost all of their stuff, or else arent allowed to have an opinion on them right? because someone that doesnt like hip hop/rap music and hates gravel pit/pinky ring/protect ya neck is really gonna be blown away by anything else they have done.

god you have no logical skills whatsoever.

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The term "emo" tiltballs me. If music doesn't evoke emotion from you it just sucks.
ok when i say emo just replace it with depressing/sad. scooter invokes emotion from me but it wouldnt be called emo.

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I agree that they clearly never sold out. In fact, they have obviously become less accessible over the years.

But just because something is "emotional" doesn't make it "emo."

Here, seriously, try Pyramid Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2VzLn6DMCE

Nothing "emo." It's actually a very complex song, and very nicely made.

I do understand your point, though. I just don't agree with the notion that they are for "suicidal teenagers."
tried it. sorry i still find it emo. just cant get in to it. maybe im just too positive for radiohead?

fwiw i did just notice creep mentioned as a radiohead song, and whilst i would never choose to listen to it, i dont mind it and have a certain amount of respect for it. had forgotten that was a rh song.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:33 PM   #431
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This!

I had three people on the website clicking for tickets the second they became available for the Melbourne show in 2010. We could not get a single ticket, sold out in a couple of minutes. Very disappointed.
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:16 PM   #432
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This!

I had three people on the website clicking for tickets the second they became available for the Melbourne show in 2010. We could not get a single ticket, sold out in a couple of minutes. Very disappointed.
epicly disappointing post
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:21 PM   #433
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I don't even know how to respond to this post without just feeling like I'm just trolling. A couple of chords on the piano (straight quarter notes endlessly) with a guy mumbling over it and some string parts in the background is pretty goddamn sophisticated?
Assuming you're talking about Sail to the Moon, yes, I think most musicians would agree that the chords are sophisticated and very unorthodox:

Amaj7 Cmaj7 Fmaj7...

A- E7/A A- A-add9 A- A-add9 F...
C E- F
...
Amaj7#4 Cmaj7#4 Fmaj13...
...
C Emaj7
Abmaj7 Cmaj7 Emaj7...

And then there's the bizarre time signature of the song (7-2-7-6-2-6-5-2-5....).

So yeah.
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:37 PM   #434
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I was actually talking about the first one. I listened to the second one long enough to see if it would be much different and then I turned it off.
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:43 PM   #435
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Who cares how complex music is? if you can play 3 notes and create something with feeling and 'soul', then what does it matter that its 3 notes?
No one disputes that. I'm not saying that the music is great because it's complex. I'm saying it's complex AND the complexity is put to masterful use at the service of creating moving songs with lots of new colors and shapes in them.
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Some of the most important books of all time are very ugly in form and grammar...keep that in mind.
Not sure what you're trying to argue here. A lot of what makes Radiohead different is exactly that: they break the traditional rules of harmony (musical grammar). So what they're doing would be considered "ugly" in form by those standards.
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all that said...I would never claim its sophisticated or groundbreaking...
Maybe if you're looking at it from the perspective of 20th century classical music or jazz, you might have a point there. From the perspective of 21st century pop music, you're objectively wrong.
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I'd just said its honest...also, radiohead is overrated....boom
Headshot, amirite?
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:47 PM   #436
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I was actually talking about the first one. I listened to the second one long enough to see if it would be much different and then I turned it off.
Huh? The Pyramid Song isn't in quarter notes:

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Old 11-21-2009, 11:24 PM   #437
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Here, seriously, try Pyramid Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2VzLn6DMCE

Nothing "emo." It's actually a very complex song, and very nicely made.
first time I have heard this song, pretty interesting.




This whole debate is so lol though. The people who are in the anti radiohead group either don't know what they are talking about or else they can't explain their opinion properly. I can see how someone would listen to the song above and say its "boring", but to try to claim its not innovative or creative is a bit weird imo.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:40 AM   #438
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Re: Radiohead: The best band of our time.

every1 has explained their opinion. what don't you get?
many of you think that as long as radio head uses unorthodox chords they are amazing.

  • I don't like most of their songs b/c:
  • many of the chords don't sound good
  • after a while the whine that Thom does throughout each song gets a bit old.
  • all the songs are sad, boring and repetitive.
  • after listening to 5-10 seconds of almost any RH song, I know I am listening to RH, I know what to expect, and I realize that they are talented, but I don't like their music.

I don't care how sophisticated they are. It's like David Sklansky playing poker.

I compare them to pink floyd b/c PF was just as sophisticated (way more actually) and was able to produce a much more interesting body of work.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:49 AM   #439
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This whole debate is so lol though. The people who are in the anti radiohead group either don't know what they are talking about or else they can't explain their opinion properly. I can see how someone would listen to the song above and say its "boring", but to try to claim its not innovative or creative is a bit weird imo.
meh. i find it really boring, depressing and annoying, and i dont UNDERSTAND why exactly its innovative or creative. this is not the same as saying i dont think it is those things, i just dislike the entire genre enough to not get in to it enough to find out. fwiw i feel pretty similarly about jazz and classical music.

fwiw i could break down some mainstream rap verses or dance tracks and explain the subtleties as to why they are so innovative and creative, but most people here would just be like 'lol sheep'.
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Old 11-22-2009, 07:27 AM   #440
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Re: Radiohead: The best band of our time.

Radiohead is probably not the best band of whatever but maybe if you just walk it inside the dots. It's bedtime in South Korea. You're welcome.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:12 AM   #441
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radiohead rox! reckoner is one of my most favourite songs ever.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:32 AM   #442
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every1 has explained their opinion. what don't you get?
many of you think that as long as radio head uses unorthodox chords they are amazing.
Read closer, you missed something.
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  • I don't like most of their songs b/c:
  • many of the chords don't sound good
  • after a while the whine that Thom does throughout each song gets a bit old.
  • all the songs are sad, boring and repetitive.
  • after listening to 5-10 seconds of almost any RH song, I know I am listening to RH, I know what to expect, and I realize that they are talented, but I don't like their music.

I don't care how sophisticated they are. It's like David Sklansky playing poker.

I compare them to pink floyd b/c PF was just as sophisticated (way more actually) and was able to produce a much more interesting body of work.
All of this is valid opinion except that PF was more sophisticated than Radiohead. I love PF, better than Radiohead, and I even play in a PF tribute band, but you cannot objectively argue that PF was more sophisticated than Radiohead. You could argue that they were more groundbreaking for their time, and they were certainly better hook writers, and Radiohead doesn't have a Gilmour to balance out Yorke's Waters. But more sophisticated? No.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:52 AM   #443
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I was unaware of the existance of Modest Mouse before I read this thread.

I like them, their songs remind me of some of the silly songs of the Beatles in their later years.

Thanks for the random tip. Thats what forums are good for.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:45 PM   #444
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Who cares how complex music is? if you can play 3 notes and create something with feeling and 'soul', then what does it matter that its 3 notes?
I don't care how spohisticated it is. I'm cool with "simpler" music too. But the poster referencing that song specifically said "pretty goddamn sophisticated" stuff so it's kind of fair to address that issue.

The RH fans I think are somewhat fragmented in their arguments. One guy says "this is REALLY sophisticated" then a poster correctly points out that it isn't so somebody else says, "it doesn't matter if it's not sophisticated. The beauty is in the feeling!"

So basically different RH fans are arguing that the song is sophisticated and not sophisticated at the same time which kind of makes it hard to have a discussion about it.

I just listened to this song again and I still believe it to be terrible. And unsophisticated.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:33 PM   #445
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You could argue that they were more groundbreaking for their time, and they were certainly better hook writers, and Radiohead doesn't have a Gilmour to balance out Yorke's Waters. But more sophisticated? No.
yeah idk how you defind/prove it either way. sophistication and who has more of it.

PF made music in a type when recording music was a much more difficult process. They also worked hard on creating stuff w/ synthesizers. As far as the actual melodies and chords, idk. echoes is a really good song.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:26 PM   #446
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These bands pump out #1 hits in mainstream music. I wouldn't argue that either are the best 'quality wise' but OP mentioned radiohead's ability to make #1 songs and great live performances
I voted yes because of their lack of #1 "hits"...I'm not a huge fan, some stuff is interesting, some gets annoying..But I can't think of any band that is as big who has done it largely outside of "rock radio"..Even if you don't like them you have heard their music.
I know the names wilco and modest mouse but have never got to hear their music.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:40 PM   #447
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That's the second time someone's said they've never heard Modest Mouse - How did you avoid ever hearing Float On? It was a pretty big hit, IIRC.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:55 PM   #448
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I don't care how spohisticated it is. I'm cool with "simpler" music too. But the poster referencing that song specifically said "pretty goddamn sophisticated" stuff so it's kind of fair to address that issue.

The RH fans I think are somewhat fragmented in their arguments. One guy says "this is REALLY sophisticated" then a poster correctly points out that it isn't so somebody else says, "it doesn't matter if it's not sophisticated. The beauty is in the feeling!"

So basically different RH fans are arguing that the song is sophisticated and not sophisticated at the same time which kind of makes it hard to have a discussion about it.

I just listened to this song again and I still believe it to be terrible. And unsophisticated.
yeah I'm not one of these radiohead fans. Just trying to make the point that people getting caught up in finding obscure chords or techniques are cheating themselves if they think thats what makes the music.
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I voted yes because of their lack of #1 "hits"...I'm not a huge fan, some stuff is interesting, some gets annoying..But I can't think of any band that is as big who has done it largely outside of "rock radio"..Even if you don't like them you have heard their music.
I know the names wilco and modest mouse but have never got to hear their music.
this is a weird debate because by best we are basically saying 'most successful'

We can't really include personal taste because everyone likes something different and thats their business.

'best band' should take some consideration of influence on other artists. I don't love nirvana but I can recognize that 75% of my favorite bands claim to be influenced in someway by them.

I think modest mouse is a big influence for tons of small time indie bands right now and that might come more to the surface in the next 5-10 years.
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yeah I'm not one of these radiohead fans. Just trying to make the point that people getting caught up in finding obscure chords or techniques are cheating themselves if they think thats what makes the music.

I understand that. But I think that criticism should be more directed towards the Radiohead fans who think the music is great for that reason. I can't honestly believe they enjoy the music just for that reason. Many of them are responding to people like me who believe the music to be really bland though so I guess I can see where such arguments come from.

Anyway, I don't dislike the song because it's too simple. I just dislike it. And I don't really think they like the song because it's supposedly so complicated. Rather, I think they like the 'feeling' of the song. They can't possibly care THAT much about the technical aspects.
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