naw he's right 72off, both of those albums are amazing.

Name clearly better ones? The Downward Spiral maybe, Nevermind, Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, Kid A, Dirt. There isn't many. Even then its very arguable. You didn't even know Tool only had 4 full length albums so obviously you very much don't like Tool as much as the next guy.

If we are trying to assess this topic with even the slightest amount of objectivity, this is not really open for disussion. If you were to poll every musician and music critic in the western world, there is absolutely zero chance of any other musical act having a larger share of the votes. They are the greatest band of our time (2nd half of 90s and 00s) in the same way that The Beatles are the greatest band of the 60s, and Floyd was the 70s, Nirvana was the first half of the 90s, and IDK about the 80s but it seems like it would be between MJ/U2/GNR/.

I mean, this is also not something that is really up for debate; you are simply incorrect. Radiohead are the Musicians Band of choice, AINEC. The biggest proof to this point is the 2008 Grammy Awards. The mere fact that they were appearing got the entire music community's panties in a bind. Huge pop stars Miley and Kanye acted like crazed fans and made news the following week because they felt "dissed" by Radiohead for not introducing themselves, crying on their blogs and on The View. Quest Love spent the whole night tweeting about them and how lucky he was to be invited to their after Party. They are the kings of the music industry, and that is just a fact.

As far as their actual musical influence, that is equally widespread. Not only are they one of the most often named influences in interviews with indie/rock, but they get a ton of hype from the Hip Hop world as well. Pretty sure The Roots, Outkast, and Wu Tang have all dropped their name on record, in addition to citing them as an influence. And, jfc, Paul Mccartney even tips his cap, and went as far to grab their producer, Nigel Godrich (The George Martin of our time), to make an album.

As far as Innovation goes, your argument is in slightly better shape. They aren't always necessarily the first to do what they do, they just do it better (and usually get the credit). The electro-rock of Kid A and the "Pay What you Will Model" being the best examples.

Their technical skills and musical innovation is pretty phenomenal, though. Johnny Greenwood is an incredibly innovative musician with either a guitar in his hand, or behind a sampler. All of their albums are meticulously constructed with the aide of one of the best producers in the business. They make odd time signatures sound effortless and natural in a pop setting, and most of all, they are somehow able to recreate near perfectly their recorded work in a live setting. They are absolute perfectionists, and it never ceases to amaze me how incredible they are live.

I am always dumbfounded when people use the word EMO to describe Radiohead. I mean, have you listened to more than Creep/Fake Plastic Trees? Honestly, I think there are < 10 songs total in their catalog that have anything to do with love, or relationships. They don't make woe is me, sobbing on my pillow, heart break music; they make I'm gonna kick your teeth in, bring on the apocalypse, motha ****in invincibility music.

I cant stand pretty much every band that is categorized as emo, but I ****ing love Radiohead.
Whatever it is, I feel sorry for you, man. I consider listening to Radiohead one of the greatest pleasures in life, and some of the most powerful memories I have are associated with experiencing their music. I really hope you arent just like the "**** THe Beatles" guy, and just decide because everyone else is up on their dick, you are gonna hate. If so, you are really doing yourself a disservice.

Keep throwing it at the wall till it sticks, imo.

i don't hate the mars volta or anything but it's just silly how much better at the drive-in were and how rarely you hear TMV fans talk about them. i respect those guys for wanting to experiment and expand beyond the post-punk / post-hardcore genre, but i don't get the love for this band. most of their songs sound like 10 minutes of aimless riffing with 2 minutes of a decent ATDI song thrown in. wait, no, it sounds like "what would happen if the guys in king crimson forgot how to play their instruments and started eating fistfuls of opiates?" they went from being in pretty much the best post-hardcore band of the 90's to the kind of stuff that stoned college students who just got a dd-7 for christmas aspire to one day create, and their girlfriends aspire to not have bad sex to on the top bunk of a smelly dorm.

lol @ "my fave band is better than your fave band" debates

I can't believe Tool has only put out 4 albums.

I don't think anyone really overrates TMV besides their hardcore fans. Its been my experience that this band is very polarizing and there is no middle ground. Do I disagree with your comments? Yes. But I'm not even going to try to make a case (even though I think you could based on talent regarding Omars songwriting and ability to incorporate a high level of playing difficulty into listenable songs) of them being the best band of our generation. See what I did there?

/fanboy

That's a little creepy, unless you're not an adult and have never been in love.

I'm not really sure how this is creepy, or how the two conditions are in anyway mutually exclusive. Is it somehow not possible to be in love with someone while listening to Radiohead? Perhaps, music simply does not have the same meaning in your life, as it does in mine, and you do not associate moments/periods of your life with whatever you were listening to at the time. Music is my most powerful tool for memory.

Fwiw, I am an adult (at least in age), and though I may have previously thought that I had been in love, I really hope that there is something much better, and more powerful in store in the future. Either way, I am sure I will associate some musical act with that time period in my life, and there is a chance it might be Radiohead, depending on what I am listening to most intensely at the time.

I used to be a huge huge music fan, the guy all my friends came to to point them to new artists back in college (this was the early 90s before the web was huge). I probably spent nearly as much time and energy in music as I did school. I thought I was a freak when it came to music. I spent many hours a week in the music stores where the owners woudl let me open any CD or album and listen to it, and then I'd research bands on usenet as well. And at home there was always music playing.

Even then, music was far from one of the greatest pleasures in life, or a source of my most powerful memories. Those revolved mainly around love interests and spending quality time with friends. Now it's family and work, and a few years ago when I was totally addicted to it golf took a spot as well.

I simply can't fathom music, especially one band, being high enough on the list as you claim it is for you. That seems creepy to me, overly introverted, unhealthy.

I realize music tends to be much more important for young adults and adolescents, and maybe the how/why of that deserves its own thread. In fact I often wonder why music stops being so important for adults, or why it is so important for adolescents and young adults. And please understand I'm not hating on you at all but I am fascinated by your statements.

I mean, for some reason, I think you are just failing to grasp what I am saying. I do not necessarily mean the sole act of listening to Radiohead is the source of the memory, but that it is associated with those powerful memories. When I listen to KID A I often think of my first love/lay/relationship and the time I spent with her, as they both came to life at the same time. Amnesiac reminds me of a drive from the airport in Krabi, Thailand to the beach, the first time I traveled out of the country, because I had it playing on my discman. Hail to the thief reminds me of my first summer on my own after my Freshman year in college, and an incredible trip I took with my boys to Montreal to see Radiohead. The songs off In Rainbows remind me of this awesome two weeks I spent with a bunch of friends in NYC the summer of 2006 when I went to see them on their club tour, and that incredible summer as a whole...

As far as music not being one of the greatest pleasures in your life, and it being one in mine... well, we are just different people. I constantly have music playing, whether at work or play... and I am a musician, so, Idk... listening to music is on par with what I imagine religion must be for those who are devoted, and Radiohead is one of the Supreme Deities, for me, along with The Beatles, Dylan, Rachmaninoff, Miles, Coltrane, etc...

I mean... you might not be wrong about this. I def may suffer from a case of "Arrested Development" and I am probably too self involved with my thoughts; intense music listening, esp on headphones surely contributes to this... but I don't really care. I hope the pleasure I derive as a listener and a creator never decreases. Music is just that important to me. If you find that creepy, so be it.

I mean, I pretty much just addressed this on a personal level, but I tend to agree with you as far as the non music professional public goes. I think a lot of this probably has to do with the fact that as people age, take on responsibilities, and have families, they spend much less time by themselves, and therefore, have less opportunity to truly engage with the music. I think, for quite a few people, at least, the teenage years will be the years they spend the most time of their life alone in their bedroom.

Haha...there's no need to feel sorry for me....except for all the suffering I put myself through listening to their stuff.

I've tried multiple times listening to them. I've tried to get into the simplicity of enjoying them. This thread continued to try to convince me that I was somehow wrong on how great Thom Yorke's mumble-whining over whatever riffs could really be. I was legitimately giving them a shot...over and over in fact.

But their music is entirely unenjoyable and lousy to me. It's hours of trying that I wish I could have back. I'm finished for now trying to throw it at the wall until it sticks.

My favorite listening moments involving RH the past few weeks involved finally reaching the end of their albums when I changed to something else. Listening to them makes everything else sound better and it has nothing to do with their influence stuff but rather how much I just want to hear anything else.

If I told you of some band that I insisted was truly awesome that you should keep trying to listen until you somehow liked them, would you? I mean, lets say you can't stand Garth Brooks or something...and I said, "well, you have to keep throwing it at the wall until it sticks." Would you go about listening to all his different albums multiple times?

I mean, given the attempts you've made, absolutely not... but, I really doubt there is a single critically acclaimed musical act that elicits the kind of negative response in me that you attribute to Radiohead. I can understand not connecting with the music, but claiming it is terribad trash just sort of boggles my mind.

And I understand not being able to get into a band because of the singer, which is just what seems to be the case for you, but that doesn't mean they are awful, it just means your brain is wired differently.

I imagine it's something more like how I feel about olives, one of the only foods that I have a distaste for. I find it unfortunate for me, though, because other people seem to rave about how great they are. So, I still try eating them a few times a year to see if my pallet has changed.... up to this point it has not... But I don't go around claiming Olives are the most awful thing in the world, because they don't provide me with pleasure.

No, it's not like not liking olives. And it's not just about his voice. I find their music generally terrible as well (with a couple of exceptions of parts I didn't detest that mostly did come when Thom wasn't signing...but mostly I don't think the music is very good when he isn't signing either).

Regarding the 'critically acclaimed' part: I just don't care. I either like it or I don't and I can make up my own mind as to whether they're awesome or not.

Garth Brooks is critically acclaimed too I believe. And I'm never going to like him either. I believe Celine Dion has received a certain amount of critical acclaim as well: her music/singing puts me through more torture than even RH.

Similarly in cinema there have been some films that have won Best Picture that I thought were especially weak and/or contrived.

If you can't dislike/detest a musical act to a high degree who happens to receive a reasonable amount of critical acclaim then I might suggest you aren't discriminating enough. But some might read "discriminating" to equal "snobby" and I acknowledge I'm probably somewhere in that category.

I suppose I just don't put much energy into detesting/disliking anything (Bad films, tho, because they are such massive time thieves). Having said that, I still would say I am rather discriminating. There are plenty of critically acclaimed musical acts that I do not care that much for, but I just don't pay them any mind, or invest anymore of a negative thought process than knowing I will most likely not voluntarily listen to them again. I just don't see the point of putting energy towards holding a massively negative stance.

i never heard any radiohead songs prior to this. doesnt really do it for me

agree that u2 blows away everyone. the who, beatles, stones.





two of my favs, i like to put the headphones on after the parents go to sleep and jam.


i think i love you- david cassidy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-B0W...eature=related


The archies- Sugar sugar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rSNLtBRKbk

lol A+

finally after 566 posts thread delievers

How can there not be one mention of the Kings of mother ****ing Leon?

cuz they suck

I never really put much energy into RH either before this thread. Similar to Celine Dion or something...if I know they suck I'm not interested in listening to them. Imagine if you came here and saw a thread titled "Celine Dion: Best Artist of our time." And then a bunch of people saying, "she may not be your style but you can't deny that she's beautiful and that her voice is very pleasing."

Ummm, yeah...I'm pretty sure I can deny that.

If you wouldn't have a reaction to that then that's on you I guess. I would have some dispute with that.

Anyway, moreso than pretty much any band who I think is terrible I decided to give RH a try....over and over unfortunately.

I mean...I don't really care about Celine Dion either and I don't spend any time thinking about her. I've caught a few seconds of some of her songs here and there I guess and I already know she annoys the crap out of me and that's all I need. But if I'm with a bunch of people who are all insisting to me why I should like her and how amazing she is I'm going to get a bit annoyed in that conversation as well and I'm not very likely to give in there either.

I'm guessing your only exposure to KoL is Sex on Fire

Microbob, name some bands that you think are great.

Kings of Leon were awesome...then they made that new super suck sell out album, and they're played on all the pop stations now. Ultra Fail.

no.

best band of our time is deftones.

I agree their new **** isn't their best but def not fail... nor do I see them as sellouts