Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! "Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode!

08-08-2010 , 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by private joker
I don't see a difference. You just typed the same thing twice.

But if you're asking about punctuation and quotation marks, read the thread -- it's been discussed a lot. The period goes inside the quote marks.
Yeah I was and thank you.
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-08-2010 , 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aao
Also, if I am quoting someone from an interview who, for anonymity reasons, is now referred to as 'participant three', should the 'p' and 't' be in capitals?
Honestly not sure here, but my guess is that it follows all other title rules.

If you could replace the phrase with their name, then capitalize. If not, don't.

Thought I'm having trouble using that "title" in a lowercase fashion, so maybe I'm off here.
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-08-2010 , 11:45 PM
well, she didn't actually mean "could have." you should of texted back: "could've."
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-08-2010 , 11:58 PM
My head just literally exploded
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-09-2010 , 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BartJ385
BTW is 'could of' any different from 'wanna'?
Quote:
Originally Posted by private joker
Oh hell yes.
Care to explain?
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-09-2010 , 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BartJ385
Care to explain?
wanna is an elision of two words - this is acceptable in colloquial speech and there are many other examples (gonna, etc.). when we write something like this, we're aping the way we actually talk, and it should be clear what we mean.

'could of' is not because the correct elision is already provided for us - could've. it's one word, not two, plus 'of' makes the writing more confusing in the context of a sentence.

anyway i'm not totally up on my proper usage, so this might all be [censored], but most grammar rules at bottom are [censored] - most of them, besides the nittiest ones, are there to ensure the greatest clarity in the written word.
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-09-2010 , 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BartJ385
Care to explain?
"Wanna" is an obvious shortcut, and the user knows it isn't a word. When you see "could of," the user likely doesn't realize they're being incorrect. They actually think the correct phrase is "could of." It's unintentional misuse, which is worse than intentional shortening.

From the WSU book of errors:

Quote:
This is one of those errors typically made by a person more familiar with the spoken than the written form of English. A sentence like “I would have gone if anyone had given me free tickets” is normally spoken in a slurred way so that the two words “would have” are not distinctly separated, but blended together into what is properly rendered “would’ve.” Seeing that “V” tips you off right away that “would’ve” is a contraction of “would have.” But many people hear “would of” and that’s how they write it. Wrong.

Note that “must of” is similarly an error for “must have.”

Last edited by private joker; 08-09-2010 at 11:47 AM. Reason: Triumph beat me to it
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-09-2010 , 11:47 AM
want to = wanna
could've = coulda
could've =/= could of
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-09-2010 , 11:49 AM
?':Sup£"
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by private joker
"Wanna" is an obvious shortcut, and the user knows it isn't a word.
How? By magic?

"wanna" and "could of" are both forms where the correct spelling is preplaced by a spelling that mimics the pronunciation.
"could've" has nothing to do with this since it is a short form that cannot be pronounced.
The only difference between "wanna" and "could of" is the spacing.
(Also, but this is just a guess - has "wanna" been around longer?)
If you hate "could of", you hate "wanna". Accepting one and hating the other is completely arbitrary.
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 01:50 PM
Wow. Two people already posted that "wanna" is way more acceptable than "could of." Both posts explained it very well and any sane human should be able to see the difference.

Quote:
"could've" has nothing to do with this since it is a short form that cannot be pronounced.
Are you trolling? This is so aggravating!
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 01:54 PM
No, it is anything but arbitrary. Writing "wanna" doesn't make it clear, whether the writer is aware of the fast that it actually represents two words and thinks this is actually a new word (although it is highly likely he does, due to the high frequency of use of said phrase).

"Could of" makes it clear that the writer is aware of the fact that this actually consists of two words, although it is not transparent, whether the writer knows which words that is. I think both options are equally likely, or at least closer in probability of being true that in the other example.

cliffs: "Could of" people are more likely to be morans.
"Grammar" and "Punctuation" nit's unite! You're "head" will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baumer
Wow. Two people already posted that "wanna" is way more acceptable than "could of." Both posts explained it very well and any sane human should be able to see the difference.

Are you trolling? This is so aggravating!
You are not helping.

First of, you cannot pronounce could've since in contrast to <I'll>, <you're>, there is no vowel in <could've> which is so obvious that I think you are trolling.

Second, I explained why the above explanations don't cut it. You explained nothing. Stop trolling.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BartJ385
First of [sic], you cannot pronounce could've since in contrast to <I'll>, <you're>, there is no vowel in <could've> which is so obvious that I think you are trolling.

Second, I explained why the above explanations don't cut it. You explained nothing. Stop trolling.
I assume this is a joke — anyone who doesn't get that that the spelling of could've implies a schwa after the d, thus making the word easy to pronounce, really shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

I was going to answer the original question, but that's been done well and in detail. But I'll add: this is not something one proves logically, because various explanations for the different constructions are theoretically possible, but seriously, come on: we all know that wanna is usually intentional, while could of is usually written out of ignorance. The difference may appear arbitrary, but even a modicum of experience with those who write and speak English will show that there is a significant practical difference. You can pretend you don't see it, but either you do, or your failure to grasp the obvious is truly impressive.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 07:17 PM
Quote:
This message is hidden because BartJ385 is on your ignore list.
i COULD care less about what this guy has to say.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
Of course, having said that.... whaddaya wanna bet that the word "versing" shows up 10 years from now in a dictionary?
I would bet you that the word "versing" is in the current dictionaries.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-10-2010 , 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baumer
Are you trolling? This is so aggravating!
It's Bart. Of course he's trolling.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 04:57 AM
I didnt do nothing.

Sometimes I try to correct people who say this, but most are too dumb to understand.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by private joker
More subtle and annoying is the overuse (and misuse, frankly) of the word literally. For that, I bring you this. ?
I apologize if this has already been posted but this is a must.

David Cross on "literally"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ly1UTgiBXM
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 07:46 AM
This:
Quote:
Originally Posted by atakdog
the spelling of could've implies a schwa
wanna and could of do not imply anything. Thank you for making my point.


... and this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by atakdog
we all know that ... the obvious ...
If your proof is "everyone says so", then this discussion is over.

Everyone in this thread - except me - agrees that wanna is not the same phenomenon as could of. But no one can give a correct reason.
That is the definition of arbitrary.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 10:33 AM
People gave you the correct reason, one of them was even nice enough to provide the actual counterpart to wanna(coulda).

Aren't you German and thus not a native English speaker? Perhaps the native English speakers telling you things about English punctuation are right and you are mistaken.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 10:48 AM
I went to a new teacher orientation yesterday for high school teachers in my region. Another English teacher was writing on a giant piece of paper and wrote "in-put." I was confused.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoloAJ
I went to a new teacher orientation yesterday for high school teachers in my region. Another English teacher was writing on a giant piece of paper and wrote "in-put." I was confused.
Age of offender?
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baumer
Age of offender?
Why, was this proper usage a really long time ago (like "to-day" was)?
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote
08-11-2010 , 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by private joker
And all I wrote back was: "could have."
I defenately approve.
&quot;Grammar&quot; and &quot;Punctuation&quot; nit's unite! You're &quot;head&quot; will literally explode! Quote

      
m