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07-03-2014 , 05:12 PM
It is physically impossible for me to not put two spaces after a period at the end of a sentence even when I try. Yes, I am old.
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07-03-2014 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
It is physically impossible for me to not put two spaces after a period at the end of a sentence even when I try. Yes, I am old.
It's really hard for me, too. When I consciously try to single space I end up with a mixture of single and double spaces, which is worse than consistently double spacing.
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07-03-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
It is physically impossible for me to not put two spaces after a period at the end of a sentence even when I try. Yes, I am old.
I struggle with this as well, to the point I had to go back through my entire dissertation looking for double spacing and fixing it. Ingrained habit.
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07-03-2014 , 05:39 PM
Interesting explanation and feedback, makes sense, thanks everyone. I for one have never added two spaces after a . and probably never will.

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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I struggle with this as well, to the point I had to go back through my entire dissertation looking for double spacing and fixing it. Ingrained habit.
Ctrl+F
Find: ". "
Replace with: ". "

??

Edit: wow, you're right, I can't even double space if I tried, you get the point though.
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07-03-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Also notice that most electronic media that use HTML, like this forum, automatically collapse all consecutive spaces to one.
For the curious... (Bold added.)
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Originally Posted by HTML4 specification section 9.1, Text, White space
Note that a sequence of white spaces between words in the source document may result in an entirely different rendered inter-word spacing (except in the case of the PRE element). In particular, user agents should collapse input white space sequences when producing output inter-word space. This can and should be done even in the absence of language information (from the lang attribute, the HTTP "Content-Language" header field (see [RFC2616], section 14.12), user agent settings, etc.).
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07-08-2014 , 12:48 AM
It took me a second to see it.
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07-08-2014 , 12:52 AM


No egregious or accidental errors here; I like the irony of the two business signs together though.
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07-08-2014 , 01:52 PM
A couple of questions from a non-english speaker:

Could someone explain to me why there are no rules for commas in English? In my native language we have strict comma rules, which makes the text you're reading more clear in my opinion, but also more chopped up and harder to read. I actually prefer reading books in English, since the text is usually "cleaner" and faster to read. An example from earlier in the thread: "Well here at Tyson we believe that you are what you eat eats" vs "Well, here at Tyson, we believe that you are what you eat, eats". I believe both sentences are grammatically correct, the first one being quicker, and the second being clearer, to read.

What is more correct, using "quote" or 'quote'? I learned the former, but I see a lot of the latter, especially in books and online.

Is it totally unacceptable to use arrows instead of commas, semicolons, or periods? I often use the arrows on exams, as they are quicker. For example: loss of albumin leads to decreased oncotic pressure --> edema vs loss of albumin leads to decreased oncotic pressure, which can cause edema.
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07-08-2014 , 02:19 PM
there are some rules for commas.

regarding quotes - both single quotes and double quotes can be correct, it depends on the circumstance.

using an arrow for "which can cause" is potentially misleading. in place of "causes" would be fine in some informal or technical circumstances. But the qualifier, ie that it doesn't always lead to, is completely lost in the arrow. Arrow usually means 'therefore' or 'implies'. it would be really confusing to use it to mean 'sometimes implies' or 'might cause'.
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07-08-2014 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Misfitsbeevers

Is it totally unacceptable to use arrows instead of commas, semicolons, or periods? I often use the arrows on exams, as they are quicker. For example: loss of albumin leads to decreased oncotic pressure --> edema vs loss of albumin leads to decreased oncotic pressure, which can cause edema.
Yes, it is totally unacceptable.
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07-08-2014 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by steve1238

No egregious or accidental errors here; I like the irony of the two business signs together though.
Which one does the Israeli flag belong to?
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07-08-2014 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Misfitsbeevers
Could someone explain to me why there are no rules for commas in English?
Lynne Truss's Eats Shoots and Leaves has a wonderful chapter on comma rules and the options in English. I love this passage about The New Yorker editor Herbert Ross's love of "clarifying" commas:
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Thurber was once asked "Why do you have a comma in the sentence, 'After dinner, the men went into the dining room'? And his answer was probably one of the loveliest things ever said about punctuation. "This particular comma," he explained, "was Ross's way of giving the men time to push back their chairs and stand up."
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Originally Posted by Misfitsbeevers
What is more correct, using "quote" or 'quote'? I learned the former, but I see a lot of the latter, especially in books and online.
"quote" = standard American; now also standard Canadian.
'quote' = standard British.
Now as for the difference between how the two punctuate around that closing quotation mark ... I believe there's been much preceding discussion in this thread.
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07-08-2014 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
double-negative tho?
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07-09-2014 , 12:21 AM
A hyphen is not necessary at the end of a sentence if I'm not mistaken.
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07-09-2014 , 02:35 AM
Decided to google it (like I should have done before ldo) and no hyphen looks to be okay.
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07-09-2014 , 03:43 AM
this thread would make for a rock solid english textbook.
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07-10-2014 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Misfitsbeevers
... What is more correct, using "quote" or 'quote'? I learned the former, but I see a lot of the latter, especially in books and online. ...
I was taught to only use single quotation marks when you have a quotation within a quotation. The single marks go inside the double marks.
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07-10-2014 , 06:28 AM
What if you have a quote inside a quote?

Bobby said Sally said she's pregnant

Punctuate that.
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07-10-2014 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
What if you have a quote inside a quote?

Bobby said Sally said she's pregnant

Punctuate that.
You just keep alternating:

You wrote, "Bobby said, 'Sally said, "She's pregnant."'"

Or, if you're in the UK:
You wrote, 'Bobby said, "Sally said, 'She's pregnant.'"'
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07-10-2014 , 11:22 AM
Are italics okay to use as a substitute for quotation marks, or are they only used for example when you quote a big paragraph?
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07-10-2014 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Misfitsbeevers
Are italics okay to use as a substitute for quotation marks, or are they only used for example when you quote a big paragraph?
I'm not familiar with the use of italics for the example you give, but I know I've read things where the author used italics for his characters' dialog. As long as it doesn't present a visual speed bump to the reader, I don't see the problem with it, although some grammar/usage purists might get their panties twisted over it.
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07-10-2014 , 01:59 PM
I think the main problem with using italics in place of dialogue is that they're more commonly used to denote thought, not speech. I wouldn't have a problem with using them to express either so long as it's done consistently.
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07-14-2014 , 03:09 PM
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07-14-2014 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by abnormal
This was undoubtedly written by a trucker.
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