Think honesty is #1 if you are going to succeed in this business. Partly therefore I told you quite exactly how things are.

A lying alcoholic can be a lost case, and can be glad if he finds a radical solution.

You're correct, dishonesty was a huge part of the problem for many of us. And rigorous honesty is absolutely part of the solution. That, in and of itself, is a very radical thing indeed for many of us.

And in reference to your situation, yes, if you can control and enjoy your drinking, that's fantastic. I could often do one or the other, but never both. Another big theme of the program. Just good for you to know that many of us have been where you are now, so if things DO change, there'll be a whole crowd of people who will be able to relate!

Being dependent is not very good, hope I will get bored with being under the influence. Not quite there yet.

Maybe real life somehow kicks you?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1251

Well yeah, if you're trying to eat less, than being diligent in measuring everything you eat is wise and can be necessary, but we need food to survive so there is no 'none' option for overweight people.

Ah, that makes sense on the doses.

I'm sure consumption control goes back real far, but it doesn't strike me as something that a person with a benign relationship with alcohol does is was what I was getting at. If he's been doing it for years and never has benders here and there and his tolerance has remain the same, then I guess it works for him.

Yeah, didn't take those last drops of the 200ml bottle. That can wait until tomorrow!

Surprised about the strength of my character. You like to have only so much of poison.

The "therapeutic window" is quite narrow. 400ml swept is not very far from killing you. 600ml is a real risk in that direction. When taking those 400ml some years ago I got my only "real" infraction points (10) and a 24 hour or something ban

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. It reminds me of a time I was next to a guy on an airplane who abruptly mentioned he didn't drink. I said that I didn't also, was in fact sober and went to meetings and such, and asked if he did. He was like "oh, no, I'm definitely not an alcoholic, I haven't had a drink in 2 years, three months, and 16 days". I'm not saying that guy, or this poster, ARE alcoholics, but normal drinkers really tend not to approach things this way.

He went on to tell me that he knew AA wasn't for him because they made him go to meetings when he was in the halfway house, but that's another part of the story

I'm a nicotinist (quitted). I'm an alcoholic (controlling). I'm a caffeinist (controlling). I'm an eataholic (controlling forever).

Guess there are some confessions right there?

Went for the 200ml- today. Will have only 50ml+ tomorrow. Can I make it not buying some more? Definitely BIG YES!

Still have something in the glass.

In the years you've been having 700ml per week, what's the most ml you've consumed in one night, or have you never exceeded 200ml in one night in years?

In my prime I was at 700ml a day. That said, everyone is different. The borderline obsession and attempts at controlling are red flags but not determinative. Ultimately you will just have to determine for yourself if alcohol is negatively influencing your life to the point you want to do something about it.

Riverman,

Kind of impressed you typically left 50 ml in the bottle at the end of the night

Oh hell, no. I was housing one 1.75L every two days. Can't imagine why my life blew up...

Plaaynde do you get an adequate buzz off of the amount you are drinking? Are you drinking to get a buzz?

If you have very much time you can of course exceed it, because the liver burns away alcohol with time. Partly because of that I don't drink during weekends. I drink almost only whisky nowadays (I'm also a connoisseur) and drink quite fast when I do.
Keeping a total break during weekends helps. I'm also not overweight, so the alcohol doesn't get very diluted in the body. Would say that the wonderful whisky taste competes strongly with the buzz factor.

Sure, but I was interested in your specific situation. In the years you've been having 700ml per week, have you binged and gone past your stop limit in a nightly session? Have you had any, say, 400ml blowouts over 2-4 hours? That sort of thing. A connoisseur of whiskey who drinks his allotment quite fast (150ml in 20 minutes? Longer? Shorter?) kind of goes against what a connoisseur of whiskey is.

I don't have all the exact numbers, will work on it.

Today with only 50ml+ think I will put in the connoisseur gear. Then that amount can last an hour.

As a reminder to plaaynde and everyone, the purpose of this thread is to provide support to people struggling with alcohol or addiction, whether it be their own or a loved one's. If I'm a little heavy-handed in removing posts that do not serve that purpose, it is to preserve this as much as possible as a safe place for people to find support.

Plaaynde, if you want support with whatever issues with alcohol you may or may not have, this is the place, but let's try to keep posts in that vein.

Thank you!

LFS

Thanks, think I got my point through in the last post.

We should avoid plaaying with fire over here.

Feel somehow more refreshed now, when I consumed less, even if it was a bit annoying for a moment. Should look more deeply into cutting down, maybe even dramatically.

For what it's worth, I do want to say that the way you post about alcohol is very familiar to me, both in my experience and what I hear from other people in recovery. I looked back in your posting history and see that at least once you've said "I'm quitting for good!" and I would guess that wasn't the only time. I did that - quitting - so so so many times, and also did the rationing thing, and many other methods to attempt to control my drinking. For me, it got worse and worse and worse until I was left with no choice other than recovery.

I am not drawing any conclusions about you from this, really I'm not. But if you read the various things people have written about alcohol and alcoholism in this thread and some bells ring, that's definitely food for thought. And if now is not the time and everything is basically OK, please remember in the future that if things go sideways there are many of us who have been in your shoes and worse and found a solution in recovery. So it's here if you ever need it.

The main thing if having a problem with alcohol is to drink less, not more. Stepping amounts up doesn't work, even if it's tempting to think more is more.

When it comes to nicotine I had many failed attempts before succeeding. As I can recall I've had just that one attempt some years ago to totally quit alcohol. Motivation is a key factor, and can't find that regarding alcohol right now. But guys with an alcohol problem similar to the one I had with nicotine (non-stop consumption) really should take total abstinence as the best option. I may still come to that some day, would be kind of easy. It's clear cut.

Think I'm yet a step closer to quitting, at least for a time. Still consuming that bottle a week, starting to feel it's a bit annoying. Like it would be necessary to have that down the throat, almost every weekday. Maybe quit for some weeks, then start consuming just half a bottle a week, when sensitized? Then it could be real connoisseurery.

How many times have you expressed this sentiment, or something similar? Do you have reason to believe it will be different this time?

If you are so inclined, just for research purposes, may I suggest you google "big book Alcoholics Anonymous chapter 3" and read it. Can't hurt to see what it says.

I think you take a step forward every time you try, either mentally or in practice. Will read and update here within 30 minutes

http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt3.pdf

Read a great deal. Good stuff. I may be taking risks. Anyhow, even the amounts now consumed is starting to get a PITA, "real" alcoholic or not.

I'm working on quitting now. Not really an alcoholic in the traditional sense where I drink everyday but I have a recurring problem of getting absolutely smashed and gambling every once in a while.

Went out on Saturday just to drink and ended up having somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 shots and 10-15 beers. Thought it would be a good idea to go to the casino and blew through almost 3 grand in a couple hours.

Seems to happen every couple months for various amounts and I always wake up very depressed because I know better and I get pissed.

Once I start I lose all self control though.

That's a bit rambling but 6 days now so that's good.

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