You could measure the reduction in reaction time when you're drunk and calculate how much slower you would have to drive to negate it. Obviously wouldn't be the greatest test, but it's easy to do and better than guessing.

lol awesome

I thought of it because pretty much everyone I know drinks and drives. If you don't were I or a lot of my friends live. You'll either never get home (for those that live in the country and there are no cabs or people willing to hang out all night and not drink to be the DD) or pay at least $10-$20 to get home every time you go out drinking.

I don't think it's how many beers you've had it's how many you have an hour. I've driven after drinking 8 beers but that was over like 12 hours.

BAC website says I drove home with a .14 last night, for example. That was not wise of me.

FYP

quick delete this post before niftymatt finds out and scolds you

thats bc you are clueless.

Doesn't mean he was at .14. Plus, you are bragging about driving drunk. At least he realizes it probably wasn't a smart decision for him to have driven home last night.

Wow. Where do I begin? Alcoholics, dope addicts, pedophiles, selfish/narcissitic/inconsiderate people, most people who've had more than a few years of college and now think they're smarter than the rest of the world, people who can't stand to be told what to do, and arrogate pieces of sh** who who just generally don't like to be told that anything they're doing is wrong or stupid...WILL ALWAYS try to find a way to justify their ******ed decisions. I've never personally lost anyone to a drunk driver, but I know PLENTY who have. At least a dozen. One of my family members actually killed an off-duty police officer and his wife while driving drunk, orphaning their two small children in the early 80s. She got a little over a year in the county jail and 3 years court probation. If you wanna get technical, she's about 5'6 and weighs about 220, I would guess. She had had...3 beers that night.

You know, it really is...THAT SIMPLE. Not everything is so complicated. It's funny to me that you and so many others in this thread put SO MUCH EFFORT into learning how to make good decisions at the poker table, but so little effort into just using common sense and making a good life decision. Here's a bit of advise: Don't drink and drive at all. Period. Ever.

Well, we wouldn't want to inconvenience you, now would we? Let's ask someone who's had their family taken from them whether or not they give a **** if YOU think it's "practical" for a drunk person to take a cab home, instead of driving drunk.

Don't try to calculate the odds of something bad happening if you go w distance at x amount of beers and y body weight having had the drinks z hours ago. Don't try to rationalize how many beers you can have before you're a danger to yourself or others. Just don' t f*****g do it.

To put it in terms you'll understand: Drinking even ONE BEER...and getting behind the wheel of a car...IS ALWAYS...a -EV move.

For the record, texting, talking on the cell phone, browsing the web, eatin' a burger, reading a book, smokin' a J, b**ting off to a Hustler mag, or any other ******ed thing stupid people like to do while driving is also -EV. Anything that impairs your judgment or takes your attention off of DRIVING YOUR CAR is a pretty poor decision.

But I digress. Let the lame, poorly reasoned-out rebuttals and/or berating begin.

Are all 15k of your posts this caliber or better? If so, I'm reading every one of them.

FWIW, you sound like you're about 17. If you're older, then I just feel sorry for you. If you are 17, then at least do yourself the favor of trying not to SOUND like you're 17.

.........Trying really hard not to just flat out call you an idiot, here. Driving drunk is never necessary. Driving in the snow sometimes is.

But, again, it's the tards who can't accept the fact that they're doing something wrong (or that they're alcoholics) who always find some boneheaded way of justifying their actions.

No one will ever change your mind, and I'm not trying to. I just hope everyone reading this sees the flaws in your logic and will use you as an example of what not to do.

then the alcohol likely played no role in the accident.

LOL What did I say about moronic justifications? Yeah, the alcohol played a role in the accident. She was convicted of DUI over .08 and vehicular manslaughter. There are so many more factors that went into her sentence than just how much alcohol she had in her system, and they're mostly political.

haha

Want to see EV calc for driving with 1 beer in you in various situations. I smell bull****.

Wow, guilt by association much? Troll harder.

I personally would never even drive with just 1 sip of alcohol, even just 1 sip can make you do some crazy things.

Cops should set up shop outside of a Catholic church, ****ing menaces to society

This thread deserves to be derailed. And LOL at guilt by association. You really reached wayyyyy out there to grasp onto that one, didn't ya? But congrats on putting whatcha learnt in that psych class to good use though.

You guys trying to justify drinking and driving is like trying to justify shooting into the air on New Year's Eve because "I just like it and it's funsies. Ha ha!"

Lol, obviously trolling here, but I agree you have a serious point: some people are 'good' at drunk driving. The problem is that alcohol severely affects judgment.

At 0.09 I am fine to drive home any night of the week even though it's illegal in the U.S. (this was legal not that long ago though.) At 0.12 I've started to up my odds of an accident a bit. At 0.15, I'm probably ok to drive a couple miles on back roads, but I hope I don't have to slam on my brakes for anything. Low odds of that happening, but run the numbers enough times and it comes up.

By the time I'm at 0.20 BAC, no way should I be driving. But am I alert enough to realize I'm that drunk? At that point you're no longer a good judge of yourself, and this is how even "good" drunk drivers cause problems.

So I guess you've abandoned your driving in the snow argument in favor of just plain, old-fashioned 5th-grade-level sarcasm?

voice of reason

Responded to pretty well above. Again, the distribution of "alcohol road deaths" is not even across people of different BAC levels, or different driving abilities/ habits.

Not to mention the questionable elements of that data.

11k road deaths. Subtract people who were driving extremely drunk, or extremely recklessly (speeding etc.) because no one disagrees these people should not be driving.

Subtract all the BS deaths added to the statistic because "someone" involved with drunk (i.e. driver not at fault.)

Subtract all the deaths that would have happened anyway if the driver was dead sober (hard to quantify, but nonozero.)

I really don't think the number you are left with (whatever it is) is very high at all. Simply put, people that are safe drivers are not going to cause a bunch of deaths by driving home from the bar. They are far less of a hazard than soccer moms, texters, tired people, bad drivers, snow etc. Sure you can say "but this is avoidable," but then I guess your position must also be that if you are very tired you should get a taxi to work in the morning too.

I mean why would I attempt to continue legit arguments with someone like urself who is beyond help, trolling is far more fun

but keep stereotyping drunk drivers, they are all the devil and there isn't even 1 of them can drive safe. afterall one of your family members killed someone while over the limit, she had THREE beers in a night. anymore propaganda you'd like to tell us?

very good post

and people think that drug laws are draconian. I have been arrested for DUI twice (dismissed both times after I blew and passed) and each time was a joke.

DUI's laws need to be repealed.