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View Poll Results: Would you pay an optional fine form a red light camera?

Yes, always

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11-13-2018 , 06:35 PM

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samuri8

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Didace you have the sensibilities of a schoolmarm.

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11-13-2018 , 06:43 PM

#27

Didace

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No, that's Neil S. I just hate *******s that drive out in front of me that didn't stop at the red light.

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11-13-2018 , 06:53 PM

#28

samuri8

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Originally Posted by Didace

No, that's Neil S. I just hate *******s that drive out in front of me that didn't stop at the red light.

That's fair enough. In my state we have no traffic light tickets, no sobriety checkpoints and no vehicle emissions tests. We don't have front license plates or toll roads either. We may be backward, but the bureaucratic hell and ensuing fiscal faceplant that is Illinois makes us look good. I'm not a fan of the traffic light tickets, personally.

However I was put on hold for three minutes by 911 several months ago. I hoped it was an isolated thing until I saw a teaser for a local news story about it. Gotta say, that was a bit concerning.

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11-13-2018 , 07:08 PM

#29

Alobar

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Didace,

are you one of those people that sits at a redlight at 3am for 5 minutes even tho there isnt another car in sight?

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11-13-2018 , 07:49 PM

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Didace

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I can't imagine where I'd be that had a traffic signal that wouldn't change right away if there were no other cars in sight. But if that happened I'd certainly stop, and depending on my mood, I'd either go through the light or sit there and be stubborn about it, seeing who had more patience - me or the light. I'm not sure what it says about me, but once I started waiting, if the light turned before I ran it I would could that as being in the win column for me. The longer the wait the bigger the win.

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11-13-2018 , 09:07 PM

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Bighurt52235

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Ive been in that spot many times. When I was younger I would always wait it out. Now it depends where I might be. Out in the sticks Im certainly not waiting.

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11-13-2018 , 09:56 PM

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Praetor1an

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Originally Posted by bobboufl11

****ing Melrose Park, Illinois got me for $100 a couple years back for a right on red. That state is so broke they are good at making people go to court and/or pay

https://abc7chicago.com/news/wrong-o...burbs/2024820/

I went online and saw the video from the red light camera. I didn't come to a complete stop, but the video ran at least 5 seconds after I turned and not one other car came by in any lane on the road I turned onto.

They don’t call it Crook County for nothing.

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11-13-2018 , 11:08 PM

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ntanygd760

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Originally Posted by gregorio

Garick, as I said in the other thread, here there are no individual consequences for your driving record or insurance since they can't prove who was driving, but the penalty attaches to the owner of the car and you can't renew your tags until you pay. Same with toll charges if you don't have an EZ-Pass. They bill the owner of the car, and won't let you renew until you pay (even though the toll road is run by a private company--they got a sweet deal with the government).

Well in that case I am putting the money in the bank and paying if I don't sell the car before I need to renew.

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11-14-2018 , 12:43 AM

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Sir Huntington

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Originally Posted by gregorio

I don't get the , "they can't prove you were driving" thing. I remember looking at the photos of one of these like 15 years ago and they have a picture of the driver in the the group of pics.

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11-14-2018 , 12:51 AM

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Alobar

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When they used to have photo radar on the freeway here in AZ, there was some guy who wore a donkey mask on his commute to work so he wouldnt be in the photo. He had some ridiculous amount of fines, like 5 digits or something. The city actually had a surveillance van camp out at his house so they could get video of him putting the mask on so they could prove it was him, lol

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11-14-2018 , 05:50 AM

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bundy5

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That seems utterly ridiculous that there are no legal ramifications for not paying a red light running ticket. They should be sending out friendly reminders (or 1st warnings) and then saying if you do it again you will be fined and you do have to pay it.

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11-14-2018 , 09:10 AM

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borg23

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anyone who knows about this and would still pay the ticket is a complete moron

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11-14-2018 , 10:01 AM

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Neil S

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Originally Posted by Didace

No, that's Neil S. I just hate *******s that drive out in front of me that didn't stop at the red light.

It's weird how you keep trying to poke at me, heh. We all have the rules we're ready to break out a gun over.

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11-14-2018 , 06:37 PM

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AzOther1

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Lost my best friend to some drunk running a red-light. I have zero tolerance for such things now.

That ***** gets out in a couple of years. Involuntary manslaughter with reckless endangerment gets about 10 years. Why isn't DUI with death murder?

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11-14-2018 , 07:01 PM

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shaft88

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1. Real tickets will instruct you to contact the court to resolve matter in question while fake tickets (ATS and RedFlex) may tell you not to contact the court. Fake tickets are sent via regular US Postal Mail service, but appear to be "official," which they are not. Criminal citations are sent by registered or certified mail.

2. In Louisiana, RLC and speed camera citations are NOT a criminal offense. They are treated as CIVIL matter, partly because the OWNER of the vehicle is issued the citation (doesn't matter who is driving) and if contested, you won't be awarded the opportunity to go before a judge. Instead, you will have a hearing with an Administrative Adjudication officer (city appointed).

3. CIVIL offenses are NOT reported to the Louisiana DMV or your insurance company.

4. In Baton Rouge, city officials will NOT turn over your Social Security Number to a private company (ATS and RedFlex).

5. If unpaid fine goes on your credit report, simply dispute online with Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. Ask them to investigate and validate the debt owed. ATS and RedFlex must provide proof that you entered into an agreement for goods or services or signed promissory note.

6. If threatened with a collection notice or a harassing phone call, do the math. ATS and RedFlex send out thousands upon thousands citations each and every day. This is profitable for them to do, because many people are scared into thinking they have to pay (the media plays a large part in this) and because it's the "right thing to do." But think about the numbers ...

In Los Angeles alone, there are over 50 K red light camera tickets that remain unpaid. In Nassau County, the county has failed to collect on $10 million in unpaid red light camera fines. And in East Baton Rouge parish alone, almost half of the red light tickets for CITY PARISH vehicles have NOT been paid.

One Rule for the City of Baton Rouge. Another rule for the citizens of Baton Rouge.

What's the bottom line? If you think for one minute that a company such as ATS or RedFlex, both of whom are located out of state, are going to take the time, energy and resources (think out of state costs, attorney fees and court cost) to go after you in a court of law for a fine of less than $500.00, pay it.

But if you're like me and are willing to take the "risk," toss it and go on with your life, but for the love of God, please don't create one more post about red light or speed cameras!

Saw this on an LSU forum so most of it is Louisiana/BR specific but other states use the same companies so it’s probably similar. When I got a couple years ago it came from a company in Arizona or New Mexico so they went straight in the trash and never appeared on credit or came up when pulled over/renewing license and registration.

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11-14-2018 , 08:08 PM

#41

br3nt00

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Originally Posted by AzOther1

Real sorry to hear this and hard to argue with the logic... best wishes to you though

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11-15-2018 , 03:43 AM

#42

ElSapo

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I got a bill for like $75 for crossing a bridge in San Francisco without paying a toll or something. But it came from a third party so I asked to see the documentation and they sent me back a completely black photo and a bill saying the outstanding balance was $0.

/story

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11-15-2018 , 11:14 AM

#43

Minimalist

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So white people do have to pay?

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11-15-2018 , 11:34 AM

#44

AzOther1

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Originally Posted by br3nt00

Real sorry to hear this and hard to argue with the logic... best wishes to you though

Thanks for the sentiments. It's been almost 8 years. I guess I'm not really over it, still...

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11-16-2018 , 12:58 PM

#45

Suit

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Originally Posted by Alobar

This is hilarious. On a real note, just proving that he puts a mask on one day does not prove that it was him behind the mask all the other days lol. Hey, I don't let anyone drive my car unless they wear the mask. It's just the ****ing rule.

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11-16-2018 , 01:32 PM

#46

Garick

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In Germany the have a similar have to provide a picture to of the driver or the ticket is invalid thing. They used to take a picture of the whole front of the car, but apparently too many dudes got busted by their wives when a ticket showed up with a picture of someone who wasn't her in the passenger seat. So they switched to taking photos of only the driver's side. I guess the legal argument was invasion of privacy for passengers who hadn't done anything.

In any case, now the Brits who go over in their right hand drive cars are unticketable.

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11-16-2018 , 02:28 PM

#47

Alobar

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Originally Posted by Suit

haha, yeah I always thought it would be easy to defeat in court. It was an article in the paper, but either they never did a follow up or I never saw it. Always have wondered how it turned out.

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