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Old 01-08-2018, 01:16 PM   #101
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Re: Parents getting scammed by a conwoman ("homeopathist"), anything I can do?

Well, everyone obviously dies. At age 70+, your outlook is so much different on life. You have the specter of death facing straight at you.

One of many reasons why seniors are susceptible to scams. I also think they have seen so many failures of “traditional” measures.

It is the perfect time to find religion. Religious people have slightly better health outcomes and it is a relatively harmless gamble on eternal salvation.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:24 PM   #102
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The reason seniors are susceptible to these scams is because olds are dumb, lonely, and easily confused.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:37 PM   #103
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The reason seniors are susceptible to these scams is because olds are dumb, lonely, and easily confused.

How do you explain Steve Jobs who literally gambled on his life?
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:43 PM   #104
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Jobs didn't gamble anything. He was already dead.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:45 PM   #105
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Jobs didn't gamble anything. He was already dead.
Correct. No known science offers any hope for a recurrence of pancreatic cancer of the kind Jobs had.
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:18 PM   #106
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Hard to get any safer than homeopathic medicine, as the active ingredient is so diluted you would need to give two billion doses per second to six billion people for 4 billion years to deliver a single molecule of the original material to any patient.
This may be true but the one OP was talking about seemed to have been 'subscribing' regular medicine (vitamins) which could in fact react with traditional medication AFAIK so this specific case is not completely harmless.
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:13 PM   #107
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Jobs didn't gamble anything. He was already dead.
He delayed treatment for 9 months. You don't know for certain what the outcome would have been. He went crazy alternative from the get go.

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The Apple chief executive, who died this month after a pancreatic tumour spread elsewhere, delayed having operations and chemotherapy for nine months after the disease was discovered in October 2003.

In spite of pleas from family and friends, he tried to cure himself through acupuncture sessions, drinking special fruit juices, visiting "spiritualists" and using other treatments he found on the internet.

Some cancer experts have said that Mr Jobs may have extended his life or even survived if he had promptly tackled his cancer aggressively with scientifically proven medical treatments
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:40 PM   #108
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Once again golf is right and everyone else is wrong. Or he may be. Who knows if this is accurate:
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Most people think Apple founder Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer. But Maryann Wahmann wants everyone to know that was wrong. He really died of neuroendocrine cancer of the pancreas.

***If Jobs had suffered from the most common form of pancreatic cancer, adenocarcinoma, the chances are he would have died soon after his 2003 diagnosis. But as Jobs later revealed, he had an unusual form of pancreatic cancer known as a neuroendocrine tumor or islet cell carcinoma.***

It makes a difference, she says, because neuroendocrine cancer, although often misdiagnosed, has a much better prognosis than pancreatic cancer.***If treated properly, you can live a long time,*** said Wahmann, herself a patient who founded the Neuroendocrine Cancer Awareness Network in 2003.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/liv...le9165605.html
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:54 PM   #109
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Thing is the first time they got it. It was the recurrence that killed him.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:36 PM   #110
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Grunching but if she is getting a placebo effect that makes her feel good that might actually be helping.

Would be good to get more information on what's wrong to speak beyond that.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:47 PM   #111
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That's the beauty of the scam. You could diagnose everyone with low vitamin D & tell them to counter with sunshine, exercise & fresh vegetables and often they'll feel better. For an advanced hustle, tell your mark to cure their "low vitamin D" level with "This inexpensive pill, combined with sunshine and exercise".
Ok so think about this logically... assuming that the patient has alternative communication streams if anything is actually serious, isn't this scam a really good thing?

Also would you be upset if she was going to a religious thing like church or mosque, which most senior people do? Because that's pretty much the same thing in terms of scamminess, just in a different form.
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:31 PM   #112
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most likely, jobs at the time of diagnoses already had liver metastases and the delay didn't impact his chances of recurrence. but there is at the very least some small chance that the liver mets developed during his 9 month beet juice binge.
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:33 PM   #113
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About a year ago I started suffering very badly with bad anxiety and panic attacks especially at night that got so bad I was afraid to go to bed. I saw doctors who tested me with thousands of dollars worth of tests which were all fine. I was put on ativan which I took for about 8 months straight.

During this time I was desperate so I saw some alternative specialists such as a acupuncturist who jammed needles all over my body (including my ears), many of which were actually lit on fire. Didn't help.

Then I saw a traditional homeopath. I sat in his office for two hours as he was asking me tons of questions trying find that perfect "remedy". He said he had it down to a few and wanted to fine tune it. I asked him which ones they were, and I looked them up in my phone.

One of them was called Natruim Muriaticum and it came back as "Table Salt". I looked up at him and said "this one says it's table salt". He said "Yes, can you believe that?" I said I'm not taking that one. He got a little defensive and preferred I don't look everything up and leave it to him blah blah blah. I paid him cash money and I wasn't going to leave there being told to eat table salt. I did get another one which I took but only helped a very tiny bit (probably the placebo effect).

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Is chiropractic medicine a scam?
Not at all. This is actually what cured me around last summer. I saw a youtube video of a woman being cured of panic attacks and bad anxiety by a chiropractor due to the C1 Axis which is the first vertebrae on the top of the neck that gets bent out of shape and cuts off blood from a nerve going to the brain stem causing anxiety, depression, panic attacks and insomnia. I was cured over several adjustments, and the first one was like night and day. I've since sent two people there with the same symptoms who he found had the same problem and were also cured.
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:48 PM   #114
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Lol
The things people will fall for cracks me up.
Chiropractor curing anxiety is great!
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:50 PM   #115
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They may have been "cured" but it had nothing to do with chiropractic treatment.
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:51 PM   #116
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:26 PM   #117
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Re: Parents getting scammed by a conwoman ("homeopathist"), anything I can do?

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One of them was called Natruim Muriaticum and it came back as "Table Salt". I looked up at him and said "this one says it's table salt". He said "Yes, can you believe that?" I said I'm not taking that one. He got a little defensive and preferred I don't look everything up and leave it to him blah blah blah. I paid him cash money and I wasn't going to leave there being told to eat table salt. I did get another one which I took but only helped a very tiny bit (probably the placebo effect).

Why did you insist in getting another treatment from the guy who was pushing table salt on you?

And if you believed his second treatment recommendation is worth taking, why didn’t you follow his first recommendation of table salt?
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:39 PM   #118
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I Googled Chiropractic and Anxiety and the first 40 articles show that it absolutely works. They were all written by Chiropractors.

If a person thinks it works, I guess it works.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:02 PM   #119
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I Googled Chiropractic and Anxiety and the first 40 articles show that it absolutely works. They were all written by Chiropractors.

If a person thinks it works, I guess it works.


Let's face it - like 10% of chiropractic works and the rest is pseudoscience.
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Old 01-09-2018, 04:30 PM   #120
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I had a landlord who was a very successful chiropractor. When he found out I was (half) Jewish, he said that explained why he'd had a good feeling about renting to me, as he'd been a rabbi in a previous life.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:25 PM   #121
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Ok so think about this logically... assuming that the patient has alternative communication streams if anything is actually serious, isn't this scam a really good thing?

Also would you be upset if she was going to a religious thing like church or mosque, which most senior people do? Because that's pretty much the same thing in terms of scamminess, just in a different form.
And there're a lot of terrible religious leaders that prey on the fact that it's impossible to monitor every interaction they have with desperate people. Wouldn't it be fantastic if we had a better way to filter out the turds? That's what the ND (naturopathic doctor) designation is supposed to accomplish and yet IME the graduates from those schools are horrible, they come out with huge debt and not much in terms of a legitimate path to paying off their debt much less make a comfortable living. So instead of providing care to a large number of clients, they skim their social networks for people with the right combination of disposable income and naivety and clamp down on them for as much as they can.

There're conflicts of interest for MDs too but their earning capacity is so much greater that the temptation for fraud is significantly reduced.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:32 PM   #122
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Naturopaths in my jurisdiction are scam artist flim flammers.
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Why did you insist in getting another treatment from the guy who was pushing table salt on you?

And if you believed his second treatment recommendation is worth taking, why didn’t you follow his first recommendation of table salt?
He wasn't pushing it. It was one of a few that were under consideration. I was there out of desperation, I wanted to get better, so I preferred another substance other than simple table salt. But that was only the beginning.

The way I was instructed to take my remedy in itself had me scratching my head pretty hard. The remedy I ended up with was called Arsenicum album. The way it's prepared is he takes a vile of small sugar pill balls, probably 100 of them. He takes an eye dropper of the remedy, and puts maybe 25 drop in the bottle of small sugar balls (about a quarter the size each of a tic tack). The way I was instructed to take the remedy is mind blowing in itself.

It was called the 5 cup method. You take 5 cups of water, about 6oz ea. You put one small ball (sugar ball that was mixed with a few drops of the remedy) in the first cup. You stir it 10 times. You take the spoon out, and put it in the next cut, and stir it 10 times. Then you take it out an put it in the next one, stir 10 times until you do it to the 5th cup. Now, remember, the tiny little remedy ball was only in the first cup. You then discard the first 4 cups (spill them out in the sink), and you put the 5th cup in the refrigerator and that's the one you use. You take a teaspoon per day. I'm not making this stuff up at all. This is the world of homeopathy.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:05 PM   #124
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:08 PM   #125
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How many times did you do this?

Thought he might have been ****ing with you but plenty of 5 cup videos on YouTube...
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