this x 1000. Calling a typical homeopath a con-artist is too harsh. I assume the vast majority of the homeopaths are just people peddling garbage because they're dumb. Same with all the energy bracelets and who knows what else. As long as the homeopath isn't similar to those fortune tellers that basically just try to trick people into giving them large amounts of money ( https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-crime/382738/ ), as opposed to flat rates, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. It will be similar to just seeing a less trained psychologist. I would voice your opinion once or twice and drop it.

I couldn't imagine being this condescending and patronizing to my friends and loved ones.

Well except they'll have clients that are actually in need of medical treatment and they'll knowingly sell em placebo.

This is false. Your ignorance astounds.

You have to believe in the efficacy for there to be any healing power!

So true. I am sometimes astounded by the amount of time older people spend at doctor’s offices with no serious ailments. We have one patient that comes to us daily. Now we aren’t allowed social visits so she is quite adept at concocting some injury or problem each day. And we are in a challenging spot denying a patient who will go to the medical board and complain.

She will also spend 4 hours in our office. Reason being is she wants to see the full impact of her medication.

She calls 911 on the weekends and complains of a heart attack. They are required by law to go attend to her. She may well one day have a heart attack, call, nobody shows up, and then you have a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

And we wonder why people go alternative...

***They took a look at the track record of 48 cancer drugs—heralded as 'wonder' and 'breakthrough' drugs before their approval—that were approved by the European Medicines Agency between 2009 to 2013.

In truth, almost none of them had much evidence that they could improve survivability or quality of life when they won approval, and there was still little evidence even more than three years after they had been on the market.***

https://wddty.com/news/2017/10/the-w...dont-work.html

Scammers gotta stick together I guess?

You are being far to easy on yourself.

From the little I read it works thru inducing the placebo effect. IN that vein it's not really a scam cuz the placebo effect works and has been a staple of medicine with humans since before civiliazation and may actually help you dad. I'd be more worried about the "like cures like" part of homeopathy tho as they think that something would cause a disease in a healthy human will cure the same disease in a sick person. All I can think is that could just get someone who is sick even worse.


The placebo effect or power of suggestion is just part of the the machine of the human being tho, it using endogenous drugs to works on problems but science at this point seems to young and obtuse to really dig into as far as I know. I mean science is just getting around to studying other yogic exercises and realizing there is more to it than the woo woo BS of most of what they call "alternative", when really this is just ancient medicine that modern science is just getting around to actually studying instead of ****ting on.



In short the placebo effect is a mechanism that can be used but I don't know wtf these homeopaths are putting in people's bodies to induce it. You can do it easier and safer if you use something like meditation or other means.

tom brady uses a scam doctor too but still came back from a 28-3 deficit against the atlanta falcons in the super bowl

Dk,

TB12 tho

Worth a read:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...cience-advice/

So weasels of a feather ... ?

Hard to get any safer than homeopathic medicine, as the active ingredient is so diluted you would need to give two billion doses per second to six billion people for 4 billion years to deliver a single molecule of the original material to any patient.

***us***?

you aren't a doctor.

Adorable.

Who do you think is in control of the US healthcare system?

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2015/07...ista-docs.html

It really is amazing. To get FDA approval for a cancer drug, you just have to submit data that indicates a patient may live longer. You are not even required to track it after approval. And they cost ~$150,000 a year that we all pay for in higher health insurance costs.

Welcome to the big con. Homeopathy is child’s play. And it doesn’t hurt anybody.

When was golfnutt freed from his containment thread?

Homeopathy is based on 2 principles that fly in the face of everything we know about biochemistry (to be fair, they were laid out before we understood biochemistry). There's 'like cures like', which is obviously backwards, and also the idea that the more dilute something is the more powerful it is. That's obviously wrong too but the people laying it out didn't understand molecules and receptor-ligand interactions.

They do a series of 1:100 dilutions and smack the vial each time. That smack is supposed to transfer the magic or essence from the original substance into the dilution, and the more 1:100 dilutions you do the stronger the magic gets. They sell products that have been through this process 200x and you can buy them at friggin Walgreens. Wiki brings the lols

Ah, good to see 2+2's resident mountebank defending his brethren.

Pleasantly surprised by the responses in this thread. His mom just wants to feel better and if it's not damaging or expensive who cares?


People give the Steve Jobs thing too much flak. It's a very major surgery that rarely helps and he wanted to take a few months to consider all of his options and it turns out it had already spread to his liver, so tap tap to him anyways.

Yeah, saying "Steve Jobs would still be alive today" is incredibly silly. Spending 9 months sacrificing goats or whatever certainly didn't help but there's no way to know either way. Maybe it moved him from a 3 outer to a 1 outer or something.

I tend to agree with you. Traditional doctors love to throw it around as fact. It tars alternative medicine and makes themselves appear more legitimate without having to prove it.

Jobs was smart and I am sure he did research. Most likely fighting a losing battle and he gambled. Your analogy regarding outs is apt.

Personally, I find alternative natural things like the OP posted as harmless scams. The Vitamin D is a parlor trick to buy a modicum of credibility. What you are really getting is to be with someone for an extended period. A rare commodity nowadays.

Steve Jobs had a form of cancer so nasty he was just dead, and was probably rational in trying whatever existed, since an 0.0001% chance was better than a 0% chance.