I get what you're saying, but I really can't see a preflop fold there against five players.

It's against six players.

GL flopping gin though.

That's where I lean with both.

fold 64 pre but as played fold both.

Hand one: I jammed, everyone folded. Seemed to me there was an opportunity to pick up 118K on a 188K stack. Villain can certainly have a Q but I can rep any two-pair combo here having gotten 203948203948203948 to 1 on the preflop call, plus I've got decent equity if he calls off with some middling Q like QJ or QTs that could have called pre.

Hand two: I raised $200K, villain tanked for six minutes and called, showed me JT. Entirely clear that he would have folded a hand like AJ. If he's even considering a fold on JT then my bluff gets through fairly often. I didn't react, but I was shocked that he tanked for six minutes to call with his holding, WTF.

This is definitely an option. Half the table was sufficiently fit-or-fold that I can justify a call here, but yeah, on 200K this is almost certainly a marginally losing call. It can't be awful, though, for only an additional .5BB.

1. Fold
2. Fold

Edit: reading your reasoning I think shoving hand 1 seems fairly spewey but would also do the same sometimes.

To those of you who suggest a fold in hand one: I get to the turn with some value hands -- 88, 77, 87, 33, some QJ, QT, Q9, and a couple of combos of Q8 and Q7 suited. Given that, what are better bluff candidates? My hand has zero showdown equity, can rep some value, and has somewhere around 25% equity when called. This seemed a reasonable candidate to me.

I agree that hand two is a fold. To your point, LKJ, about not getting significant value if I hit in hand one -- I'm never calling there. My bluff prices out straight draws like 96, so my 5 is going to be good if it hits. Is villain really bet-calling with Axh or otherwise better hearts? Probably if he has Ah8h or Ah7h, but otherwise not. So I think my equity ends up being clean if I'm called. I'm definitely happy to take correction and fix my thinking, but I think hand one is actually a reasonable bluff spot.

BTW the MP bettor had something like 350K to start the hand, so he loses a bit more than half his stack if he calls and loses. So I've got some leverage over him.

aka "Your move counselor".

I kind of see the merit of semi-bluffing in H1. It's something I'll have to give further thought to.

I’d be willing to get involved hu, 7-ways OOP with the most dominated 6 (comparatively 8-6 has the best kicker value besides A-6!?) and a useless suit seems extremely optimistic.

Who here checked out the Encore yesterday?

Re: hand one, I guess I just think that a credible checkraise has to be one that tells a believable story where the player checked with the intention of raising rather than checking and then choosing to raise in reaction to the bet that was placed. A flop checkraise is one thing, but after the flop gets checked around then HT - purportedly holding a big hand - is a lot less likely to check and count on someone else to open the betting, with no immediately obvious person to do so.

The second heart hitting the board affects how your checkraise looks both because of the possibility that you picked up that very draw and because it would make you that much more likely to simply be leading out to protect a made hand against a board that's getting scarier for a made hand.

Obviously you're going to push out semi-bluffs by the bettor by pricing him out, but if he has at least top pair then it feels like you're getting called a lot, particularly as your stack wasn't that huge relative to the pot and the bet.

$50 PLO tournament online

Blinds 350/700, I have 20k on the cutoff with AAQ5r, 2 folds, 2 calls, I pot to 6650 (obv questionable play but the table hasn't been very aggressive at all)

Small blind calls, one other caller

Board T45r

Check check, I jam, small blind who has 21k left at this point calls my all-in (which is 14k)

shows T888 (?!?)

obv spikes another ten since i'm telling this story

I'm not a "online poker is rigged" guy but who the hell is calling T888 for pot in the mid/late stages of a tournament like that. He wasn't spewing after that either, as if he was just trying to shove every hand until he got busted.

Been about a week or so and this one still bothers me.

People playing a $50 mtt

That's a pretty big donkament online.

The rigtarding has begun

The villain is a moran, move on from it. BTW, you’re underselling your point here. Who is calling T888 for pot in any Omaha game in the world?

since you could only pot to 3850, and couldn't jam the flop as you would have had more than 14K chips behind maybe the whole hand recollection is questionable?

LIVE POKER IS RIGGED!!!

Foxwoods - 1/2NL

Reads:
Me - If anyone is paying attention, over three hours I've built my stack from $200 up to $500 with flop c-bets and betting my good hands on the turn and river. I think I've only showed down one hand that was a BB special hitting bottom two on the river.
Villain - Action player that has seen his stack go up and down with aggressive play. Likes to see flops. Bluffs a lot and has hit some unlikely hands on the river to win pots. Tends to slow play big hands post flop. Has been felted at least once but now sits on over $1000.

A few hands before the hand in question I was in the BB with rags. There was an early position raise and villain reraised. I took a moment before folding and said to him, "I really want to play a pot with you" and tossed my cards.

A few limps.
Villain raises to $20.
Hero (KK) reraise to $60.
Folds to villain.
Villain thinks for a few seconds then "All-in".
<I found it very unlikely villain has AA, he would have made a smaller bet. So...>
Hero calls.
Flop comes A83
<Great, and ace and a flush draw. Both are definitely in villains range.>
Turn T
<Damn. Flush draw got there.>
River J
<****. Any heart or any ace beats me.>
I flip up my KK.
Villain turns over KQ

I forgot, there was a min-raise to 1400 I believe and a call after that, so I felt jamming at that point seemed the best play to isolate.

If it was a min-stakes tournament I'd be like "whatever, donks" but a $50 MTT series event seemed fishy.

We had been playing a couple hours too, so I don't know why the guy then decided to go ahead and make a ridic move like calling with T888. Was on one of the WSOP clones in DE so pretty sure everything is legit, just an extremely odd move.

As HT said, maybe he's just a moron and got that far, got dealt trips for the first time, and didn't understand he could play only two.

Amusing. KQ is not an unreasonable bluff-raise there, but why ship all the remaining 440 effective?

Billdacat,

I have yet to dip my toe into those DE online games. They sound like good games.

Do games run 24hrs?

What stakes run regularly? 1/2 NL? PLO?

I'd be a pig in **** if razz or any stud ran.

I've yet to see any razz or stud (or stud8), except for micro stakes. DE is combined with the WSOP player pool. I don't believe Razz is even offered.

Not uncommon to see 1/2 NL going, lower versions obv as well. PLO from 1/2 down to 5c/10c common as well. Pretty close to 24h I'd imagine especially due to pulling in NV players from the pool that would keep games running later on the east coast.

This 5 card PLO is pretty fun. MGM natl harbor is really nice too, almost makes up for too many hours on 95 south.

Ugh I take it back I just tilted away 2 buyins in 20 mins after patiently grinding my way back to even, all started with this hand:

I’m in LP w AA4410ds, I have 1500 and both villains cover.

Utg makes it 15, call, I make it 75, both call.

Flop Q 9 6 rainbow. Check, check, I bet $215, call, call.

Turn is a 4. UTG bets $525 and EP calls. Wtf?