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06-22-2017 , 02:40 PM
You are even less likeable than M and that is impressive
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06-22-2017 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Very Josie
You'd be providing a service.

But really, its just an excuse to not work. There are lots of things I don't want to do, but I do them anyway.
Being alive is one of such things for me.

I'll have plenty of time left in my life to provide a service, just I'm afraid that it won't be received with due gratitude, hence I don't want to make my life depend on it quite yet. I'd rather serve as a hobby.

Besides, I can't think of a thing that I'm comfortable doing and that enough people want.
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06-22-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
start by doing 100 pushups a day
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
And make sure they're LEGIT pushups.
Assuming that you weren't joking, what will they accomplish?
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06-22-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Being alive is one of such things for me.

I'll have plenty of time left in my life to provide a service, just I'm afraid that it won't be received with due gratitude, hence I don't want to make my life depend on it quite yet. I'd rather serve as a hobby.
Wanting to commit suicide is entirely separate from this scheme to get money from your mother, which has 0% of working btw.

My brother killed himself 20 years ago. The pain is only SLIGHTLY less for me now. Only slightly. I'm crying as I type this.

Just remember the ripple effects that your actions have.
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06-22-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Assuming that you weren't joking, what will they accomplish?
adaptation, physiological transformation
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06-22-2017 , 03:06 PM
There are other ways to practise adaption. This kind of physiological transformation is smth that would make me hate my body even more, because I don't identify as male, which is an entirely different topic.

Being strong psychologically is part of being a good human regardless of the gender (what's a gender anyway?). Thanks to advances in technology, being physically strong is no longer a requirement for being a good human.

Last edited by coon74; 06-22-2017 at 03:12 PM.
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06-22-2017 , 03:07 PM
Seamless transition iyam
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06-22-2017 , 03:16 PM
Why would enhancing the vitality be a top priority right now when I have more serious demons to battle? Why should I give priority to smth that will prolong a worthless life but will be barely helpful with making the life worthy?
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06-22-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
I don't lack the work ethic...
When I'm in the mood to work, I think I do it decently.
Adds up.
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06-22-2017 , 03:20 PM
****,

Get on upwork and do some overpriced work to get revenge on westerners!
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06-22-2017 , 03:22 PM
amead,

If you ever become bipolar (I hope that never happens), remind me to have a look at your work ethic at that moment.

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****,

Get on upwork and do some overpriced work to get revenge on westerners!
This is the most useful post since my appearance itt.

How much can be earned per hour by English <-> Russian technical translation on Upwork? There must be a lot of Russians willing to do the same job and hence an oversupply of labor. It looks like the ballpark rate for a beginner is about $2 an hour, and I'm sure that it's easier to relearn poker to earn $5 an hour than to learn to market myself at freelance sites. If I learned Spanish, I'd become useful for Spanish <-> Russian translations too, but there's probably not enough demand for this.

Last edited by coon74; 06-22-2017 at 03:44 PM. Reason: my degree includes the skill of scientific En -> Ru translation, not technical one
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06-22-2017 , 03:43 PM
Not wishing ill upon you at all, and I hope things get better. Perhaps look into teaching English or something in academia, since it sounds like you have a zest for learning. El D is right - your written English skills are impressive for a non-native speaker.

All that said, if you do the best you can treating your bipolar disorder, there may still come a time when you need to take care of business and hold down a job. Or, chill out and float by on inheritance and online poker and drop the claim of having a strong work ethic. Can't have both, I'm afraid.

Best of luck!
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06-22-2017 , 04:18 PM
OK, I have both poor social skills and a poor work ethic. Social skills can be trained so the work inefficiency is a bigger issue. That said, it comes from the overly careful way I was brought up, while my social ineptitude has been obvious since early childhood (I was reportedly taciturn, refusing to make oral responses longer than a word or two, when I was between 2 and 5 y.o.), so back then, I had more issues to work on than an average healthy child, as well as fewer incentives to work on them.
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06-22-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
It looks like the ballpark rate for a beginner is about $2 an hour
Where are you getting $2 an hour? Looks to me like ballpark rate for English to Russian is $7-$15 an hour less the 20% commission:
https://www.upwork.com/hire/translat...h-freelancers/
https://www.upwork.com/hire/english-...n-translators/
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06-22-2017 , 05:01 PM
Judging by the lists of the 11 best En <-> Ru translators that are shown to unregistered users, seeing that one of top 11 charges $7, three ask for $10-12.5 and three more charge $15-15.5 an hour, and taking into account how many young Russians speak English fluently nowadays, I'm afraid that the median hourly fee for this job is less than $7, and it takes some effort to even enter the top 50%.

I based my $2 entry-level assessment on a past inspection of Elance and Fiverr offers; Upwork can't be much more lucrative than those.

Computer programming is much harder and less staffed than translation, and yet, the average hourly rate there is about the same as for freelancing in general (~$20), the median rate for freelancing at large is not more than $15, and the beginner (bottom 20%) rate is about $5.

Last edited by coon74; 06-22-2017 at 05:19 PM.
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06-22-2017 , 05:08 PM
why are we still talking about this sad sack when M was forced to cram down 3 ice cream treats yesterday?
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06-22-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
why are we still talking about this sad sack when M was forced to cram down 3 ice cream treats yesterday?
It appears that the cream has risen to the top and moved OOT to H&F.
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06-22-2017 , 05:20 PM
I nearly creamed myself after reading Tom Ames' post
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06-22-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Judging by the lists of the 11 best En <-> Ru translators that are shown to unregistered users, seeing that one of them charges $7, three ask for $10-12.5 and three more charge $15-15.5 an hour, and taking into account how many young Russians speak English fluently nowadays, I'm afraid that the median hourly fee for this job is less than $7, and it takes some effort to even enter the top 50%.

I based my $2 entry-level assessment on a past inspection of Elance and Fiverr offers; Upwork can't be much more lucrative than those
Pretty clever to figure out what you'd make on Upwork based on what you'd make on another site instead of what people on Upwork get paid. The minimum rate on fiverr seems to be $5 for up to 500 words.
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06-22-2017 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Pretty clever to figure out what you'd make on Upwork based on what you'd make on another site instead of what people on Upwork get paid.
I don't bother to look up each and every freelance platform because I believe in market efficiency. If the Upwork equilibrium price were so much better than the Fiverr one, most freelancers would have moved their action to Upwork and abandoned Fiverr long ago.

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The minimum rate on fiverr seems to be $5 for up to 500 words.
A beginner can only translate about 200 words an hour, so my story checks out.

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06-22-2017 , 05:37 PM
c00n,

Your argument might be valid if it wasn't incredibly stupid. (AKA that's not how market efficiency works.)

Shocking that the different freelance platforms might have stratified talent! Or that they might have different mechanisms for validating the skills their members are selling?

The fact that you're so "lazy" that when someone told you to look at upwork you decided it was less effort somehow to look on fiverr than on upwork (?????), and that you're too painfully stupid to realize things like that fiverr is a platform for (generally) ****ty people to ****ty jobs of things makes it very hard for me to understand why anyone would want to assist you.
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06-22-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by citanul
you're too painfully stupid to realize things like that fiverr is a platform for (generally) ****ty people to ****ty jobs of things
I thought this is the platform where I'd belong anyway. Why should I hurry to research a platform where I won't belong anytime soon? I don't even have a linguistics degree. The translator certificate attached to my math diploma is a rather useless piece of paper, it doesn't replace an actual linguistics diploma.

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06-22-2017 , 06:07 PM
who needs MLY this is much better imo
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06-22-2017 , 06:12 PM
Can I get some cliffs on ****? No idea what's going on.
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06-22-2017 , 06:26 PM
The biggest piece of stupidity in this freelance translation talk is that I asked a question to which I already had an answer, namely, how much I would realistically be able to make per hour at the start.

What this talk amounts to is, to use the poker allegory:

El D: Check out Upwork!

Me: Is it really that soft? How much do the average regs earn there?

gregorio: Here's a Sharkscope leaderboard that shows that the 11th best reg earns $7 an hour.

Me: Well, if the 11th best reg at a major site, out of hundreds or thousands of Russians, earns only $7 an hour, then this game is pretty ****ed. I'd rather learn another game. Also, I'm aware that Fiverr regfishes earn only $2 an hour.

gregorio: Upwork is like the Stars of e-lancing, it has better anti-bot protection so most of the high-stake action is there.

Me: I don't care about high stakes, I need softer micros though I believe in market efficiency so the hourly winrates of similarly skilled regs at different sites shouldn't be all that different. And if the 11th best reg of an elite shark tank site earns $7, then the industry is ****ed even bigger than I thought.
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