I think cliffs are something like:

• ****'s dad died without leaving a will
• dad would have wanted **** to have some money or an apartment or something that went to ****'s mother because of the lack of will
• **** wants to get paid
• he has a math degree with a translation certificate but wants to play online poker for <$5/hr rather than work
• he owns an apartment that consists of four bare concrete walls and a concrete floor which he can't afford to finish

He also struggles with depression or bipolar disorder and may not have much motivation to live, though his posts on this are somewhat cryptic.

****, you have a math degree with a translation certificate ffs. Maybe you could earn a little more than the cheapest translators on the internet. The real issue is you don't want to do any work, and there aren't any website that pay well for that.

This is not accurate. My mother forced me to renounce (by my written consent that she obtained by questionable methods) the property rights that I would normally have got by default if my relatives had been fair.

I initially didn't want to go into much legal detail, but I guess I have to. According to my research, the legal situation is as follows:

1. At the moment of my father's death, the family's (then only) apartment was occupied by 3 family members (my mother, my brother and me) in the 'social tenure' mode (the right to occupy but not rent out or sell, granted by the government). By the inheritance law, all the 3 cohabiting family members became social tenants.

2. The Russian law gives every citizen the opportunity to privatize a social apartment once in the lifetime. Until 2015, this could be done for free. My father's role in the story was that he was too lazy to privatize the apartment during his life - whereas he'd known for a couple of years that he'd had a terminal condition - which automatically meant that he didn't mind it being split evenly among the 3 surviving family members who were cohabiting with him.

3. By default, during privatization, all the people registered at a residential unit who agree to take part in the process get equal shares of the property rights for it (33.3% in our case). What my brother was talked into, and I was bullied into, was a written renunciation of the right to take part in the privatization so that my mother got 100% of the property, under the excuse that the children wouldn't have to pay their shares of the property tax, but that tax is tiny here for residentials, and utility bills are reasonably small too, so it wasn't a good excuse considering that I was getting a state pension (by virtue of my father's death) till age 23.

4. However, those who renounce their right to participate in the privatization of a residential unit, are granted the lifetime right to live there. It's possible for the owner to sell it in the black market with people still being registered at the property, but it can only be done with a 25%+ discount because each of those permanent inhabitants would maintain the right to occupy a room there even after the owner change. Hence requesting a 20-25% compensation for the renunciation of the right of dwelling, to allow the owner to sell quicker and without the discount, makes economic sense and is mutually beneficial, though my mother's rationale isn't capitalist.

5. It's impossible to force privatization if either of the inhabitants disagrees so the relatives would have been able to obstruct it indefinitely if I had continued refusing to renounce my share. However, the scenario from part 4 would be impossible, and also, there'd be some hope that the relatives would eventually agree to privatize on equal terms to become able to sell the whole thing and split the cash.

6. If the privatization had been done on equal terms, then it would be hard to sell a single 33.3% share of the property separately, but not impossible. It would certainly go with a substantial discount because it's uncomfortable for the buyer to cohabit with unknown co-owners. However, black market realtors are proficient at making the co-owners' lives hell to encourage them to buy out the realtors' shares asap using mortgages etc., so shares do have potential buyers. Of course, that would be the last resort - normally, co-owners are so terrified by the prospect of cohabiting with unknown people that the former either buy the share out themselves immediately (the law gives them a priority ahead of other buyers) or agree to sell the whole thing and split the cash.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to or feeling able to work, but it that's the case, just don't expect to be met with much sympathy when you complain about not having money to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

c00n lives in Moscow, you can find just about any job there that pays ~$5/hr with a bit of effort

work as a part time courier or something - it doesn't require much communication and play poker on a side

People are getting badly trolled

This has been less true since the Russian ruble crashed at the end of 2014.

I'm not expecting that. I was just hoping that, in all this brainstorm, there would be some fresh ideas for me to use to get myself out of my current pathetic situation. I haven't learned any novel method from this thread so far that I hadn't been aware of.

wtf is going on itt

i havent really been reading any of ****'s posts fwiw

jmakin, +rep_lol,

What should the scope of this containment thread be, iyo?

it should aim to curb awful posting, not propagate it

More cliffs:

Mom may have inadvertently sexually abused C00n. He's brought it up to her and she's denied it. Mom is very controlling both then and now.

OP rarely goes out.

Then there's the semen skin cream thing. C00n, you'd better explain this yourself because I'd probably get it wrong and I'm too lazy to look up the post.

loooool semen skin cream? now that's something i'd be interested in hearing moar about!

i don't even

Damn, there's some weird people in this part of the forum

C00n, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure you said you rub it into your skin to absorb the zinc that's in it, right?

That's correct, though historically, the purpose of the ritual was simply to avoid the need to go out of my room with wet hands.

Here's a link to the zinc absorption thing, and perhaps it was solely the economic abuse described above that has made me exhibit the symptoms of a sexual abuse victim, otherwise the additional cliffs are more or less accurate.

If I were you I'd list the methods that are not an option for you. This way we can skip at least several 100s of posts offering you to work or what not.

This is a valid point, I'll think on it.

Once we're at it, being staked is definitely never an option. I don't want to be harnessed for over half a year - that would be too much like a real job.

One man's awful is another man's funny. There must be a visible place for it, which this thread is.

Maybe find work as a skin cream donor?

I did consider this, but alas semen donations aren't protected by law in Russia. If a donor's fatherhood is proved by the recipient or the child, then he has to pay the child maintenance for 18 years.

true story, i was lol'ing at your zinc supplements and the gf wasn't very amused. not sure i can spin your theory as a viable excuse to jizz on her more often, but it's not like she's stingy to begin with. so i'm good, i guess.

You can surely use 'zinc donation' as a euphemism

With respect to your mental condition, what have you been diagnosed with? Are you taking any medication?

I haven't been officially diagnosed with anything because I don't want to subject myself to the awful Russian psychiatric system that can easily disable me. The only viable ways to make my burden lighter are to take supplements, find self-help content on the web and sometimes do talk therapy over Skype with a foreign specialist who has no legal power over me.

Are you interested in a list of my self-diagnoses? (As you might have guessed, hypochondriasis is one of them )

Fire away, but you know what they say about the man who diagnoses himself...?