First, I call BS on getting an 80% response rate on Match, unless you are only messaging girls who winked at you first. It's very unlikely that 80% of your messages are even going to paying customers.

And three messages is usually fine to get a date. Maybe a few more if the replies are really short. But never, ever anything close to 12. (Although 12 is probably appropriate on Tinder.)

I'd say it's either the way you are asking them out or are your messages back and forth only 1 liners? I never had problems with girls in the 25-30 range asking them to meet in the 3rd msg.

I'm trying to help the dude out by telling him what works for me. I don't think there is a way to verify the msg thing, but it is 80%, I've sent 10, 2 didn't back (lol sample size), only one had winked at me. I don't see many bots on the site in my location. I'm in a small European capital.

Certainty where I'm from you defo need to message more imo, you'd pretty much get blanked if you asked after 3, but I've never tried. Might also be an age thing, I think you might have to put in a little more work as you get into your late 30s?

Why do you think you can't get a date after 3 messages if you've never tried?

And the issue with Match isn't bots. It's that people with free accounts can post full profiles and receive messages, but they can't reply to them. Maybe this isn't as common in Europe.

Out of the 8 girls I've been in a convo with I've set up date with 3, met one last night, went extremely well, would love to do a TR but dont feel good about it, am really only interested in another 2 so will ask them out very soon, we're at about 8-9 messages. I message that much because I just think the standard first 3 messaged are about their profile or I'm just making jokes. so I prefer to lead up to it a bit more, the 3 I ask said yes right away.

Also had two from tinder, they we about the same, maybe more over the course of a few weeks.

Kinda answered this below, but I don't know that the 3 msg doesn't work, I did it on tinder and was ignored. So you're right, I could probably get a date after 3 msgs, but my chances should be higher if we've had a good few messages back and forth?

With tinder there are different account levels, my level doesn't let me message girls with free accounts, so never happens.

no 1 liners at all, messages typically are 3-6 lines, usual stuff - find something interesting in their profile that can be used to strike up a conversation. Maybe just running bad or maybe it's how I'm asking them out.

Yeah, on Tinder you should definitely wait more than 3 messages, but most of those are one-liners, and you need several messages just to communicate very basic things about each other.

I assume you mean Match in your second paragraph, but not being able to message free accounts is definitely a good thing! I might have stayed on that site longer if they let you know who had free accounts.

The superb owl sucks.

What should I say to this girl? It's her only picture, and her profile is blank. Casual sex is listed as her only interested in item. Decent troll probability, I guess

I do mean Match, yeah, I've also only messaged girls who I had stuff in common with. I get messaged a bit and have only kept 1 convo going with people how have messaged me. Just sent her a msg asking her out after like 12 messaged. So fingers xed.

I mean

Btw, saying 80 percent when it is 8/10 is a bit misleading, imo... sample size nit here

sink it in!

Yeah sounds like you are either running bad or the language you're using when asking them out.

Can you post an example of a message you would usually send when asking them out?

It's not nitty at all, it's a joke of a sample.

What on earth do you talk to someone about after 12 messages? Feels like you're gonna get into stuff that's (imo) better to talk about in person. I get filtering somewhat to know if there's some connection but there's also a lot you can't get over a message.

Girl messaged me out of the blue 10 days after I sent initial message. Getting drinks on Wednesday. You guys typically think this happens when they're busy with other guys/life? She viewed my profile immediately ten days ago after I sent.

2nd date with Hispanic girl on Friday at country concert. We have texted a fair amount since first date. I knew I was good to go when she texted me to have a good day at work the day after our date. Def #1 on the list right now.

Girl I was supposed to go out with last week wants to meet Saturday or Sunday. She's definitely at bottom of list though because I'm working a lot, she's 30+mins away in a diff town, and still in school. Other girls are within 15mins of my house and 5mins of work. It's so much easier to be able to go meet a girl quickly after work.

That's about all I can handle right now, but I might try to hit up a few girls in my town who have their lives figured out. I broke up with GF three weeks ago, so I just really want to experience as many girls as possible before wifing up again.

I had a girl wait 11 days to respond. Responded again pretty quickly but disappeared after my third message asking her to frozen yogurt. Think it was kinda weird and creeped her the fuq out.

Or it's easy and fun to respond until it gets serious and then they just take the passive route of disappearing

Yeah, but I put that bit in, I mean I can only got off what volume I've put in atm.

idk, I dont really want to waste my times on dates tbh, I'd rather know a bit more about them before i go on the date, it's not like I'm going to run out of stuff to talk about just cause I've already has 12 3-5 line messages.

I never said it was optimal, I said it works for me, where I am, in my age group.

I also said that I thought it might be a bit many, like I think 7 or 8 is better but 3 just sounds over eager to to lock it up before anybody else gets there imo.

I feel like this is the sort of question that gets asked a lot but it's not like anyone can really respond with any confidence. I mean what do you think is happening? Your guess is as good as mine. She might be busy, she might have other guys on the go, she might have forgotten but then was scrolling through again. Who knows? It's not worth reading into. Just go on a date and see what happens.

I was going to say lol sample but it's pretty difficult to get a row of 8/10 responses, so you must be a combination of very lucky and very attractive if you're not messaging hippos. And obviously if you're very attractive, you're very lucky!

What's the best way to tell girls I'm moving in 2-3 weeks. I want to weed out the ones only looking for something serious but I don't want them to have to agree to sex date/feel slutty or whatever. Maybe I should wait until I'm on the date, but I'd hate to put in all the effort for them just to shut down after they hear it.

WRT the first bolded text, I no doubt acted that way with 43yo Cheerleader; I mean, she even called me needy. I've tightened my game up considerably since then and now more than ever before since separating with my ex can enjoy my own company, so-to-speak. With my current stable of broads, I think I come across as far less needy... maybe even a bit elusive at times. I didn't communicate with AH for like two days and she sent me a text saying "what, you're not talking to me anymore?"

WRT the 2nd bold - I really don't think these chicks despise me. When I'm bringing my A or even B game the word out on me is that I'm fun, funny and charming. I'm also decent looking, or so I've been told, so that goes a long way too. Only YourChoice says she "hates me" but, while she'll let me touch her and ****, we're closer to friends than anything else.

TR w AH

Our plan is to spend the day finishing her site. I get there at like 2PM and she had just woken up, literally. When I call to say I there she says she's not even dressed or out of bed. Anyway, she hesitantly gives me a beer when I ask for one - she says she's excited to help me with my alcoholism - and we brainstorm about her site. We put some work in while chatting. The entire time I'm trying to escalate physically by stroking her or grabbing her tits or jamming my hand in between her legs or kissing her. She doesn't stop me but also doesn't really reciprocate. It's been a while since a girl reciprocated and I had forgotten what it's like... StonerGirl would reciprocate with me on Thursday, kissing me independently and pulling my dick out of my pants... so now I have a template that's fresh in my mind.

Eventually we go out to eat and she says she'll pay. I'm shocked by it and say I didn't think she had it in her. She also offers to by a Groupon to the spa but I tell her that the deal is over. We pick up some Mexican and go back to her place to eat it. Afterward she smokes a little pot and we continue working on her site. She makes a point to say she wants to get this finished and that I should want to finish it too because I probably think the site is the only reason she's hanging with me and that it's quite the opposite, she'd rather go out and have fun. I continue to molest her and at one point we're on her bed and I'm about to go down on her but she's on her period. I say I'll eat it anyway or is that gross? She says, "no it's not," but I think it's gross so I stop. I basically have all access to her body and at one point, when I'm rubbing in between her legs, she kinda reaches toward my crotch then pulls away. I grab her hand and pull it toward it but release because I'm not a total creeper. She says something about us building intimacy. I'm like, that's fine; sex and getting off is important but not the end all be all. In time.

The bottom line is she's still seeing this other guy who she alternatively calls her ex-boyfriend, boyfriend and the guy she's seeing. When I tell her I tell other girls that she's just a friend that's "down on her luck and who I'm helping out", she says she tells her bf that we're just friends and that she kicked me out last weekend when I upset her by trying to make out with her. Although I tell her I love her for fun and she says I should be telling my "OKC sluts" that I'm in love with someone else, I have no feelings for her whatsoever other than thinking she's cool, really attractive and interesting in how different she is than most other women. We get along just fine and if nothing ever develops and we end up as friends, I'd be fine with it. If she gets her **** together, given her unique personality, she's going to have an impact in this life. As an example of how unique our situation is - she arranged a date for Tuesday over the phone while I was there and I made a video of it. A guy she's going on a "Mall date" with and with whom she's said is "completely in the friendzone." I have all access to her body and can do whatever I want, as such I plan to **** her eventually and she knows it.