All,

Any 27-y-o guy who gets involved in a serious relationship with a 20-y-o girl (about to leave the country to cheat on him for 6 months no less) probably has some issues himself. I mean 20 is ****ing young. She's just a kid. He likely can't see that she's unstable b/c of his own issues, so arguing with him about it is just dumb.

Dinner date in 20 minutes . Will post trip report!

No, I will likewise always have at least 2 on me in any situation where women will be present.

lol okay

most girls who want to study abroad want to for the experience and most of the time they will be at least 5.5+

A part of the experience is meeting guys who live there while they're out drinking.

Most girls like telling their friends they slept with a hot Spanish, Italian ect.. guy

If these online girls were actual human beings 3-4 messages should be fine. I exchanged probably 50-70 messages with this one girl who was completely sexually liberated (one night stands, fwb, looking for something casual) and when I asked for her number she completely disappeared.

I'll simply ask where these girls live and they disappear. It tilts me so much how annoyingly immature they are. We'll meet in public you stupid sluts, I'm not going to kidnap you. Some of these girls have even messaged me first and pursued me and then they still flake!

EDIT: Another girl dropped off the face of the earth completely after 2 messages. Found out we had a close mutual friend and now is basically in love with me. Nothing changed about me except she was able to verify that I wasn't catfishing and she goes from completely uninterested to blowing up my phone.

Bro say "what city do you live in?" not "where do you live?"

The former gets your point across clearly whereas the latter sounds creepy as ****

I always feel like crap after I hit it and quit it and have been talking to the girl for a bit leading up to the intercourse. Feels like most of these chicks, you talk to them on a daily basis for a week and they fall in love. As much as I'd like to keep talking to them after what they thought was a great first date, ya just can't turn a hoe into a housewife and it's not gonna work out between us moving forward. I don't want an easy gf. I don't know why they struggle so hard to get that concept. Must suck to be a girl who puts out too easy, nothing but continual disappointment.

Yeah sounds like a ****ty problem to have...

meanwhile OKC in my area is drier than a 99 year olds snatch

Alot of online dating and dating in general is easier if you can word statements and questions the 1st way instead of the 2nd way-

3bet, regarding the hit it and quit it thing, I had the guilt too but pleasurable sex and most of the time dinner/drinks should be more than enough. I recommend keeping them in your life in some facet. and just turn your text messages into demands such as ''Come over'' ''I need my laundry done'' etc etc- Basically if you think of something that would improve your life just send a text to a girl. Live in the moment.

3Bet,

Why do you factor in how fast a woman sleeps with you in whether or not she is GF material? Sure, if she's sucking your dick in an alley or banging you in a parked car shortly after meeting you, prob gonna eliminate her. But why would you cross off a girl that sleeps w/ you after a great first date?

Is that a shot at GG mullen?

What does my post have to do with GG? It was a nod to UnoTrap

I think I'm cool but I know I'm not THAT cool. If I could hit that easy, lot of other guys could too. I'm not saying most guys, but def enough. You really want to be in a committed relationship with an easy chick? Sounds like that's asking for another dude to pipe up your chick when she goes abroad and then that dude owns your soul in the process. My kind of ego and another dude piping my chick don't mix

right after alley you said banging in car shortly after meeting which is how gg met tb

This was discussed earlier in the thread , but its your thinking and million of other men who think along those lines that are cocbloking each other.. Have fun , if you have enough sway to pull it off . enjoy it.

Girls like sex 3bet. You need to come to terms with that. There's nothing wrong with girls treating sex like guys do.

There is a lot of guys ITT, & within 2+2 as a whole it seems, that are extremely liberal with regards to female sexuality. Basically, guys have no problems with making a sexually promiscuous girl a girlfriend. Is it a geography thing because most of you guys are from Europe or what? I'm just shocked to be in the overwhelming minority when it comes to the "can't turn a hoe into a housewife" mantra that I thought all men mostly agreed with except the ultra-liberal/feminists

Not defending her actions as if they are normal, but saying she is destroying lives is hilarious and I'll certainly defend her when you say nonsense like that. I told her right away that what she was doing was a pretty lame form of entertainment.

I also may have worded things a bit wrong, but she wasn't actively seeking these guys out, they would send her lame messages as most of these losers on these sites do. She would then essentially make fun of them and call them out for their lame messages. The one poor sap still wanted to meet up with her despite an exchange like this, hence his response being hilarious when she didn't show up.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it given the guy made it clear he was in a relationship/cheating in the messages, so he deserves to be embarrassed by being stood up and probably more IMO.

If she was actively seeking these guys out with malicious intent, I would certainly agree she was on the crazy train.

3bet,
I'm in your category, but that's probably why I'm likely to be forever alone.

You can usually tell if the girl is a slut during the build up process anyway. Im def not saying to make anyone a gf. Just keep it fun, open and honest.

3Bet,

I'm from New York and while "can't turn a hoe into a housewife" can be true especially with younger girls, there's a lot more variables that go into determining whether a girl is a "hoe" than if she sleeps with you after a great first date. As long as everything happens normally and naturally, seeing that as a negative on her isn't correct, IMO.

Custer,

Lol, I had forgotten about that. No offense meant to GG - my apologies.

DontDoItPlease,

Dude, that's all irrelevant, you're 27, you have a 20 year old GF that you haven't been dating very long and you're going to attempt an LTR while she studies abroad for 6 months. How can you be naive enough to do this? This is a spectacularly dumb move by you.

I do believe in gender equality. I hope you do too. No, not from Europe. If you have a problem with promiscuity in general, that's an understandable preference. But because you're promiscuous yourself, you're just a hypocrite and, as others have pointed out, an indirect cockblock. Nothing personal.

Slipslope,
How I wish that was true. It's all fun and games until your "wholesome, innocent, unassuming" girlfriend has her tongue down some dude's throat whilst you're sitting next to her.

You are dating a girl that actively enjoys this type of behavior. Think about that for a second. Does she have that much free time that she spends doing it? The guys in this situation also suck. But for her to waste her free time doing this means something is a little off with her--you mentioned this was the only reason she joined the site to begin with--why do people do such things? Your whole situation seems a little off but best of luck.

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No need to disqualify a girl if you sleep with her on the first date. If I click with her and she is super hot then I see it as a positive.