early and mid 30s were the goat dating age for me

was young enough that women in 20s didn't view me as old and established in life so i was a much better option to guys in their 20s and there were still attractive women who were available and without kids in my own age group

this guy ****s!

in branson missiouri

got about a dozen matches, mostly in springfield which is like an hour away so same old same old as there's shockingly few people on tinder here despite that branson is a big tourist destination (although it is not tourist season)

got a few local matches who all snap unmatched me when they found out i am not here for good - one was dtf but unmatched when she heard i'm from massachusetts - as this is trump country she probably thought i had devil horns

matched with a cute girl in her early 20s but she's super religious and saving herself for marriage - she also got super offended when i asked why she didn't consider going to college (it was very natural in the way it came up and not a prying question but a follow up to her complaining about only being able to work at menard's because she never went to college)

the obese 2/3 of options are just as bad here as in new england, but the top 1/3 are way hotter on average imo

one single mom without any body pics but was chill, conversation flowed smoothly, mentioned the logistics and then she suggested coming down to visit on tuesday so it was like old times, having a quick chat and then sealing an arrangement to meetup and then immediately stfu to not blow it

her face photos imply she's not overweight, but i realize she probably is, at this point i just don't care, will be something to do while in missiouri

why?

watching over a fishing lodge my friend owns while he's on vacation, it's a win win arrangement - except for being in branson of course

so a few of the matches which were unresponsive have since emerged from hibernation and revealed themselves to be bots/scammers

seems they are now hibernating the responses for a day or two and staggering answers to make it feel more natural

every one of them felt more like a person than the old automatic, fast moving, and super into me tactics of the past which were so obviously fake

but now the mistakes are things like the profile is in spanish but they claim not to know spanish, or they say they are in manhattan, new york hence why they can't meet (despite that the app says they are 20 miles away) and they also don't know what upper east side means, etc etc

every single of them wanted my telegram and quickly unmatched when i tried to keep in going on tinder

How do the Tinder scams work? Is it just money extraction or does it lead to the bathtub full of ice with the note to call 911?

lord knows i've tried to find, i've played along with enough of them to see where they lead but they all gave up on me because they are usually managing a shitload of people at a time and i guess i'm not enthusiatic enough or demonstrating the correct "can be conned for a lot" stuff so they give up on me

a bunch i even try to become friends with, tell them i am a journalist and want to interview them about this and they can remain anonymous etc and they never respond after that

but it appears to all be similar to the "pig slaughtering scam" which you can google and find tons of articles on

it's usually someone in asia, usually china, who over time gets you deposit money on a fake crypto exchange, you think you're making big profits together because her uncle or something has insider knowledge, you see how you've doubled that 500, you also see that you're exploiting specific pumps and dumps on this one exchange so it can only happen there, you deposit more money to increase the rate of wealth generation - then when you think you're up like 6 figures, you start withdrawing to enjoy the profits and it's at that point that the withdrawals never materialize and eventually you realize it's not an actual exchange, you've just sent 30k to the scammer

happens on discord a lot as well, but the discord ones are less sophisticated and more on "i'm in a country that outlaws crypto, i think x coin is going to triple" can you buy that and send to me and i'll send you dollars - let's use this escrow site which will do it and the escrow site is fake, you're just sending it directly to his wallet


on another note, i'm back to old man reality, the woman who was supposed to come visit today just unmatched, didn't even say anything, must have happened either super early this morning or late last night because i went to message her that i'd secured a boat to take her out on the lake

i had everything prepared, clean sheets, freshly showered and groomed, boat, two quarts of egg nog, bourbon, & weed

don't ever say I'm not romantic

also, i know i'm going to catch flak for this, but i'm super annoyed, i was 100% the one "losing out" on this exchange, she had an average face and no body pics and was a 39 year old single mom - was already mentally prepared for the fact that i likely was not going to find her attractive but decided to roll with it - she could have at least messaged with a "something came up" or "sorry i'm not feeling it" instead of just unmatching

perhaps she was upset i didn't message her sweet nothings yesterday? idk just annoyed

oh well, now i just got to figure out wtf i'm going to do with all this eggnog


on the plus side, i did wake up to a bunch of new matches on bumble but women always wait until the 11th hour to message in order to look cool or something so it just guarantees that i can't find a fallback option in time for tonight

Sadly, this is the current state of OLD. About a month ago, I met a chunky 42yo single mom, who apparently has a rotation of big-dicked ****buddies in their 20s/30s. A week ago, I met a more-attractive 29yo (still with 3 kids) who told me her last 2 exes are an MMA fighter and a literal porn star. The imbalance is staggering.

Of course it's an imbalance, you are selecting for women on dating sites. If they are just there to ****, then unless you are in the top 0.1 percentile, you are going to have a lot of these hard luck stories.

Reading some of this thread reminds me of how exhausting online dating is today. /goes back to poker and other things.

I now always do a video chat before meeting. Weeds out catfish/fatfish, and then you have some rapport built up before first meet. Makes it flow much better. Also think it makes first meet flakeouts somewhat less likely. If person is not willing to do that, then cool, I waste no more time on them.

Related, I am now in my first relationship in over 10 years with Tinder match who I was very lukewarm about prior to our video chat, so, highly recommend doing that fellas.

Thanks rickroll. Bummed no one is gonna lose a kidney.

Ha. I definitely ‘get’ that feeling of indignation when a girl you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you inexplicably flakes or rejects you

In regards to the inverse situation, im feeling a little bit smug just now that a girl who is top three hottest girls I’ve ever been on a date with (and I’ve dated many hundreds) is now my girlfriend. and to top it off we get along like a house on fire, she’s extremely chilled and more into me than any of my previous exes were. A genuine unicorn on the hot crazy matrix

If this was a first date you suck. You need to learn to be attractive. Not romantic.


No woman wants to go alone with a dude on a boat as a first date

How do you not know this?


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pw it does not surprise you misread the situation

this was not a date, it was a "i'm in town for a few days and need to stay local in case something comes up but if you want to bang you should come down and visit"

she was all about the boats, literally the first question she asked when i told her i was staying at the shore of a lake

And then a friend chimed in, "You are not going out on a boat by yourself with some dude you don't know".

been out with a bunch of old friends, all married cause they're my age ldo

general discussion of trying to set me up with people - let's pity our poor single friend, yada yada yada, i show them zee apps and all first all look on in horror over how absurd it all is, from my stilted openers to their 1 word responses and ghosting, everything is aids, everything

what i do is aids
what they do is aids
the available options are all aids

this is life, everything is aids



so the solution is don't play ball and don't get aids, don't concede and coalesce to expectations - open up with a bang, state from the start that if you're going to one word respond then don't bother - but in a fun drunken uncle sorta way, not the one you are worried about being left alone with, the genuinely non pedo uncle who is fun - that's the opener - it will need to be practiced and refined

be abrasive, be the sandpaper, the shark's skin, the cat's tongue - get in there, grip it and rip it - go go go

everyone loves cats!

we will proceed using tactics that ensure they are down to clown and react like regular humans from the get go or we'll cut that cord asap - we are looking for responses and not going to waste engaging energy in one sided maybes

it's easy here in bumfuggery flyover, but the real test is when i get match with someone to whom i have genuine fortitude, will it be so easy to be the friction that exceeds expecation or burn out in a flurry



no more pilot lights, we ride

Or you could, you know, work on yourself. Plenty of girls on bumble that love guys. Not in vegas of course. If you’re a male and you’re single in your 30s it’s cause you chose not to make yourself attractive.

Do you have an ugly face? Do you go to the gym? Do you have a good job? Do you have a nice car?


Do you have a big dick? These are the ways to get girls. Have you been doing these things?


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Apart from having a good job, these are just stereotypical characteristics that Incels think women rank highly in a man, but they are not really predictive of what women are interested in.

Ok but I’m not an incel and it’s incredible unlikely you have more experience dating women than I do.

You’re just wrong.


In your experience how many women do you usually have on your roster at once? I average 3-5 over a couple states.

Dating is way way way way way easier when you have a nice dick. Women don’t need to be your gf, they will make time to see you because your dick hits spots other Guys can’t. Also helps to have wide dick.

Unless you’ve ****ed 2 different girls a day for a while, you prob don’t understand how easy it is to date when you check certain boxes.

Selling drugs helps too

on a serious note, you make a lot of bold assumptions of people you've never met nor ever interacted with and your takes are generally horrible, you can't even make a thread without having 50 different people jump in to tell you how stupid your worldview is

if you go to the supermarket and the person in line with you was a jerk then you ran into a jerk

if every time you go to the supermarket and the person in line with you was a jerk then you are the jerk

perhaps you should take a backseat from doling out life lessons until you solve your short men are the most oppressed in the history of the universe dilemma and other horrendous takes that literally nobody will agree with you about

That’s fine lol I don’t mind that most people have incorrect opinions. I also never said they were the most oppressed

Are you making fun of the oppression short men face? I don’t think it’s funny personally.

This is about online dating. I have tons of online dating experience. I can tell you exactly what worked for me and what works for my friends and you can either believe me or not.

My friend was a model his IG said I make $40k a month and I stream on twitch. He literally had hundred of matches. Being hot, having money, being good looking and white or black and you’ll crush it.


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I never said you were in incel, I said your takes were the same as incel hot takes.

As for having more experience than me, I doubt it. I've both played the field, and had several long-term relationships. You seem to have only done the former, unless you think you simultaneously have had more sexual partners and more long term relationships, which wouldn't surprise me.

And in any case, I'm not basing my hot takes on my vast experience with women like you are, I'm basing it on the countless studies that have looked at predicters of mating success and long-term relationships. Having a big dick and a nice car might impress an 19yo for a few weeks, but not the adult female dating pool.