Nothing like YTF, but NickMPK's ("the professor") failures to understand why he was bombing out on dates while discussing politics and the finer points of his doctoral dissertation were pretty funny. He even asked a girl for advice on where he went wrong and got a lulzy reply back. There was also a bunch of impotent short guy rage (is there another kind?) which was slapped down by El Diablo.

Overall it's a quality thread.

Oh come on, if he goes by Bobby, he should sign his name Bobby. You all are just nitpicking. The extremely long apology is horrible, but mostly because very long rambly apologies almost always come across as rationalizations. FWIW, I sign my name to the first message I send a girl, but never after that, except in rare cases where the girl actually signs her name to all messages.

lolz, this is great.


YTF, since you've just made this into the best thread going atm please continue to post your exchanges with other woman.

Ytf,

What everyone said (except the bobby part; if you go by bobby I think it's fine to sign that). Truths parsing of your message was on the money.

The main problem with the apology is exactly the same as your problem through much of the weight loss and various other threads. You simply don't want to really take responsibility for your actions and really acknowledge that things are your fault. Sure you finally weave your way around into a half-hearted apology, but not before you repeatedly try and justify your actions and blame her for making you act the way you did. You're also about 1/10 as clever and witty as you think you are, and any non-idiot is going to see through all the BS.

Something like what dig wrote would have been way better. I was gonna suggest something like "I'm sorry. Wow, I re-read our messages and feel like a total jackass now. No excuse at all for getting so carried away, and I hope you can accept my apology for temporarily losing my mind."

ytf,

please respond.

might have been slightly better

I will admit I often come off as arrogant and abrasive and I was in kind of a foul mood when I wrote that, but seriously, if you think there's nothing wrong with that email exchange, I just... Really have no words.

I'm a loser in a lot of ways but not when it comes to women.

YTF I'm sorry if I was overly harsh but you seem to only respond to this kind of negative attention and it got you some good results in the weight loss thread. Keep on trucking, I wouldn't bother with an apology, this is pretty unsalvageable.

FWIW Jmakin, 18yos are a different kettle of fish to 40yos. Plenty of people get weird and perverted as they get older, like a moldy cheese that's been left to age. What's gross to you is actually desirable and interesting to older women. Don't ask me why (or why people like blue vein cheese - ugh) but that's the way it is.

Still, being a jobless ginger in your early 20s with a cute 18yo that's happy to pay for you and buys you gifts means you're doing very well with women, so congrats on being you.

Oh man, I just read the apology. That's not really an apology.

YTF, if you started a blog I would read it.

That may be true but there's still nothing right about that email exchange. My gf is 21 and I have a job.

OK, my bad...anyway I think the email exchange is fine until he started listing the weirdest places where he'd jacked off to a woman he'd never met. Yeah it's weird to me too and hard to read but she lapped it up obviously. I actually couldn't believe the way she was replying but she liked it.

are all her text messages to you this short or does she actually contribute to the conversation at some points? imo this is pretty much just one step above ignoring you.

if she does, then its nbd. just wait a couple of days and assuming you havent heard from her yet just start another conversation about something else like this one never happened.

I thought your post was spot on and far less abrasive than informative.

ytf, the best part about your exchange was you put in a ton of effort to get her wet, and she got wet. props. the worst part was the 1235234 lies you told to get there. tripping on your feet after was INEVITABLE. ducy?

saying stuff like "you should never lead a guy on" is some weak stuff too.

edit: dear lord at that apology. i thought the first last message was supposed to be an apology. then i see the REAL one, and it starts with:

i figured your newest apology would be some backhanded passive bs crap but this message exposed yourself as, wait - nope, same passive/dick/crap/troal. she probably threw up when she read the FIRST LINES of your apology. what the **** bro??

the fact you still can't see this is much worse than actually doing it for dramatic purposes only.

the fact you need to send apologies like this (what i mean is clearly the correspondence is over, you know almost nothing about this girl, and you're writing long heartfelt messages about it.) is pretty bad. I interpret this as you being too insecure to share some of your feelings bc things could be lost in translation, so you go completely HAM and lay out the entire framework of your problems to her.

like, how do you not see that typing I LOST MY MIND repeatedly is extremely poor form for convincing a woman to invest a part of her life in YOU?

ytf, fire up the flux capacitor and send a new apology:

ytf,

It can't hurt to send tuma's message. At least you'd wrap things up w/ a real apology rather than, as he accurately puts it, that passive-aggressive BS.

jus create a gimmick and try again with advice youve gotten

and post all correspondance

don't let this girl beat you ytf

Or, create a gimmick, then do the exact same thing you just did for maximum humor

You vixen, you! Needs to be his new title

The apology needs to be in his own words or not at all. Do the girl a favor and just stop contacting her.

Perhaps we should make a list of the top 5(000000) things he should do differently...I'll start.

1. Use less pet names/weird phrases such as:
-kid
-you vixen, you
-angel

It's not very often you should listen to jmakin over el d but this is one of those times.

send the message to pass Go and collect sklansky bucks for a restraining order.

d10,

He's gonna contact her again, though...

After reading at least the first few replies I pretty much just scrolled through the rest ytf.

I wanted to say something last night, but I'll say it now. In my humble opinion, no offence to OOT, but I would not listen to one word they say. Seriously.

One major problem with society is that everyone conforms to some (i donno rando) very boring and barely with a pulse concept of how to act. Sure, you might not get some girls because they also conform to this idea, but at least you will be you. Not like a semi-robot who filters all his replies through what he thinks the dating master would say or something.

Maybe you open yourself up to getting more hurt this way, but you also open yourself up more to living.

A) I honestly thought your response read very nicely, was genuine, and truly a breathe of fresh air. I'm not just saying this. I'd also bet that she responds, but if she doesn't, that's totally OK, it just means she wasn't the one for you.

Seriously look at most of the people who responded negatively towards you. Their responses are basically just insults with no substance in them whatsoever. I would bet that even if they get into a nice relationship they base it around fake stuff and then spend the next few months+ of the relationship just constantly thinking what the next "right play" would be, aka constantly feeling insecure.

This is not a shot at them directly, it's literally how 100% of society (including me) is to some degree, but even to just step out of that mold and to be yourself for a little while is like .. i dono you're actually introducing beauty into the world .. and you can probably appreciate the beauty that is already constant and all pervasive in this world much more too (because you stop thinking so much).