Regarding "meh"/"average" BJs - most of the time this happens with someone new, and a simple "oh f*ck yes, go slower" improves the experience (for both parties) by a factor of ~10.


A while ago someone linked Dr Ian Kermer's books (She Comes First & He Comes Next) - both should be required reading for all parties. (If we're being honest I probably got more from reading He Comes Next - pretty great introspection into how my male subconsciousness works).

I'm like 98% thinking this is sarcasm b/c it doesn't seem to fit your persona as someone who would care about this, but I'm holding out hope that it's true.

A lot of girls won't even let me softly stroke them there during sex (and I'm not even being rough or trying to penetrate). So I'd imagine the % who are down for a rimjob early on is pretty low, although I don't ever ask.

Yah, that's a good tip. Possibly the best BJ I received was a girl who didn't move her head a whole lot, but went crazy with her tongue on the special spot.

I always let the girl know when she's doing something I really like and give feedback, but frame it in a positive way.

I think it was probably me. A while back I mentioned that reading a couple books about the differences in male/female sexuality and physiology really helped my performance. As well as a couple on male performance, how to last longer, etc.

The first time I'm with a woman I always do whatever I can to make sure she gets off and has a great time b/c I want her to repeat with me often. Long foreplay (which I enjoy anyway), going down on her longer than usual, lasting as long as she needs but making sure not too long if she's not enjoying herself, figuring out how she likes her clit stimulated then choosing a couple sex positions where I'm also free to stimulate her with my hand, etc.

I think some women who prefer really rough sex probably find me a bit boring, but for the ones on the more passionate end of the spectrum, they can fall pretty hard and become a bit obsessive.

So what do you do when a match only has 1 pic and it's 4 girls, but they all look good enough to meet so it doesn't matter which one she is? Leaning towards ignore b/c she's probably a flake/troll if she's using that pic.

Use your endless stream of matches to find someone sensible, or at the very least a visible face

Yah, no sense wasting a date on her.

I made the obvious/lame joke of "wow so I get to go out with all 4 at once?". Maybe she'll run with it and show a great personality.

I've never had a girl stop/seemingly not want a rim job. Sample size I suppose. Also, as my man SLJ once said:

Here's a story about this one girl that I was pretty good friends with for a summer when I lived at the beach when I was 24 or so. I swore I was in the friend zone for months, until one night when we hooked up. I was about to go down on her, when she stopped me and said "No don't"....it was the first time I ever had a chick turn down oral. Anyhow I wore a condom, we had sex that one time, remained decent friends for a year then grew apart. I told a friend about that story and he told me, "Any girl that turns down oral has an STD, you should probably get checked". That stuck with me and I was paranoid as hell that maybe she had herpes and was showing no outbreak. I never asked her, but I did get tested about a year later and all clear. That brings me to about 3 years ago when I was about to hook up with a girl I met in Vegas and this same situation happened. She was firmly against oral, or me inserting a finger, but she wanted sex. I went back to this memory and what my friend told me years back and I backed off and shot her down.

I will say that turning down a woman for sex that wants it, and you couldn't care less, feels pretty empowering. But yeah... while we're on the topic of oral and such, there's some free game. The logic makes sense to me.

There are indeed women who arent stimulated alot by their clitoris though. Some women all out do not enjoy oral, for this reason or due to the mental stigma that it is gross (that they can't overcome). Other girls I can breathe on and they shiver. Most are somehwere in between.

Growing up in the south, I can tell you lots of women are inexperienced here and I can humble brag that I've opened quite a few to new heights.

Quick story from senior year of college. I'm getting it on with a friend of a friend, she's bare naked and wanting the d, I start to go down and get the WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?

Me, shocked: "Um, going down on you?"

Her, disgusted: "WHAT, LIKE WHAT THEY DO IN PORN?!?!?!"

She was 22.

Wow. That's.....interesting.

For everyone's information: How to eat pussy: A magical guide for evolved people

I'm down in the Fort Myers/Naples area.

If you ever make to the Naples Greyhound Track for poker, let me know. Beers on me.

There's plenty of reasons women wouldn't want you to go down on them other than an STD. For some women its a more intimate experience than a random hook-up would warrant, for some its too intense, for some it makes them come too soon, etc etc

Yeah, that does make a lot of sense Jo. I have an eskimo brother that shared the same exact story as mine, with her taking a hard pass on oral. That was the first time it ever happened to me and my mind went so far left after the urban legend.

Girl I'm dating now doesn't really like oral, prefers me using my fingers to get her off. Been a couple of months now and it doesn't burn when I piss, so not sure that's a 100% foolproof plan

For sure man. Florida dog tracks are my favorite places to play.

The girl in question in that 4-girl pic was thigh gap, 2nd from the left. Now I’m more intrigued bc I like skinny girls. Although still probably not worth a meet up bc you can’t really see her face.

#4 with the ridiculous booty

2nd from the left was my guess!

Don't think I'd call her ridiculously skinny Think the thigh gap shows from bending forward and over.

Have any of the no kids crowd gotten or considered getting a vasectomy?

FLA greyhound racing got shot down in the November elections ... sorry to be the bearer of FLA bad news for you.

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...da/1862060002/

That doesn't mean the card rooms are going away.

we'll see. my guess is most tracks won't be able to financially sustain themselves.

also, there was another amendment that passed (forget the # of the amendment) which basically thwarts legalized sports gambling from coming to FLA (as we know several other states have or are racing to get sports gambling legalized in their states). sports gambling could have been a new revenue source for these tracks (replacing the revenue they'll lose when the dog racing stops and those thousands of patrons no longer walk through their doors).

DM me if you want to continue this discussion ... don't want to derail this thread anymore.

If a girl doesn't want oral, it could be as simple as she doesn't feel fresh down there at the time.

Imagine going to the bar and hookin up at closing time, you've been going to the bathroom and maybe dancing a lot, so it might be sweaty and not the cleanest at the time.

That being said, I've not had many times being refused, and the couple that did mentioned this as the excuse.

It's nice, but there are several nicer in Lima. Seems like Peruanas keep themselves in better shape than Mexicanas or Colombianas. Although a lot of butterfaces.

Yes, you are right. Looks like it was a product of her body position.

Instagram comes through again! Was able to see more pics by asking for her IG, and she's really hot! For sure top 3 among my matches.

If a girl won’t let me go down on her, it’s a deal breaker. I’m not a huge fan of BJs just because I’ve only had two separate ones in my life that got me off. However, if she’s unwilling to go down, she selfish and no selfish girls get the benefits of being with me. I don’t stand for that.

There have been girls who I’ve had to coax a little to let me go down on them, and I’ve had many in my life tell me “I never really liked that before you did it, now I love it.” I just think a lot of people are really selfish in bed, and if you’re an attentive lover (and person in general) you’re far ahead of the game.

I was nodding until you said come too soon? You know women can have multiples right?