Yeah I had it for a while. Bought some super thin condoms and fixed it. Still not as good as regular sex, and still very occasionally lost it if drunk for example, but significant improvement

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This is a great idea!

You're saying I should admit to all this stuff on a profile? Seems like a bit of a hail mary.

Yeah or a bit of a level.

What kind of profile can you write? What kind of girl is going to want to date you?

The OKC & POF forums are full of guys who haven't had a single reply in years. It's easy to be that guy.

You gotta be objective with yourself.

Go out with the express purpose of talking to people. Grocery store, anything.

LOL at this guy. Why would anyone want to put any effort into YOU if you'll not put any effort into yourself or likely them. You sound like a lazy **** and not much of a catch at all at this point. You can find trolls online if that's what you are looking for, so I'd try that. With that being said, you may still get rejected by them. I would definitely fix myself before I got involved with online dating. I doubt you'll have that much success and you are going to waste a lot of time and get a ton of rejection. Even average looking guys are mostly in that box, if you are lazy, no prospects (JOB), and supposedly ugly you are going to fail super hard online unless you are magic with prose. Even so, you sound like you would likely fail with first encounters, leading you to waste more time and more money which you don't really have right now.

Advice would be to go to H&F, stop smoking weed, get in a shape and find some sort of job especially one that's in a social setting. I would start showering/cleaning up and stop being a bum. Why would any girl want to get involved with you if you have nothing going for you? There is a guy posting in this thread, could be fake, that is basically homeless that is doing well online so it is possible but you have to be creative and you have to have almost no standards.

Just got back from a first date with the journalist girl. Definitely felt like she was in interview/job mode the entire time, but conversation flowed well with no awkward pauses. She played with her hair a bit, solid eye contact and a bit of touching. Overall though, I think it went well, she was much better looking than her pictures, she initiated ordering a 2nd drink. However, she was the one who suggested we leave after 1.5hours, she said she had work in the morning plus mentioned during the date it was a big deal for her to have her phone on silent during the date with work etc.. Work seems to be her life, although she admited she really needs to find the right work/life balance.

She then initiated a hug when we first stepped outside, said I'll see you around and left..... Was quite abrupt, so a bit confused on this one since the way she ended didn't match up with how the date went. She really came off as a strong independent girl type, which I'm not so sure I'm into, although was quite impressive given she's only 24 and has that much confidence already.

Also, set up 4th date with tinder girl for Wednesday and another first date Tuesday. I'm feeling really good about tinder girl, she iniated the text after being out of town this weekend and it just feels right.

Typical,

Little confused by the responses you are getting.

They are all good advice in terms of finding a quality girl online.

However, you seemed pretty clear about preferring to put in little effort and just get the girl version of you if that is an option. I'm sure that's absolutely an option. Tons of overweight, unattractive women on these sites almost never get messages. Just the fact that you are articulate enough to make the posts you did here will prob make your profile and messages the best some of these women have ever seen.

Not sure why everyone skipped over that and instead gave you suggestions on what to do to attract more desirable women.

El D,

I don't disagree with you, if he wants to find low hanging fruit then by all means. But in generally, whether or not you're looking for super attractive women or trolls, you should make conscious attempts to improve yourself. If he's identifying himself as a 1.7 then he has confidence issues, which you need to address internally no matter what your intentions are dating wise

He's going to make the mistake of telling even the 3s why they shouldn't date him.

Bro, read some forums. OKC, POF, the OKC subreddit.

Those are tight communities with the same people posting alot; but they can be a big help in getting perspective on online dating.

I'm doing the stuff I've talked about. I crush with mid-50s cat ladies but I'm not interested... I want 40ish active types. Yeah well the good looking ones have an army of young dudes looking to cougar up. So where does that leave me?

I have to look at this **** from their perspective.

We are all just pieces of meat hanging in the online window. Male and female.

I'm not sure I follow the bolded. Ugly people can be literate too.

Otherwise, I really like this post. It seems like the easiest AND most logical answer to my (main) problem.

If I'm portraying myself accurately, it's not a confidence issue, but one of, I don't know, merit or something. 1.7 might not have hit it on the head, but I'm clearly somewhere at least fairly below average. I reconciled myself with this a while back, it's certainly not preventing me from being confident.

I've seen many references ITT to "quality". Somebody will go "oh, see doesn't sound like a high-quality (personality, temperment ...) girl anyway". Etc, etc. You see it all the time. In conjunction with the 1-10 scale (looks), it seems like y'all are trying to quantify and separate girls into distinct classes. Which is cool, but don't forget that SOMEBODY has to actually fill in the bottom classes! That's true regardless of how much confidence anybody has.

Typical,

What I meant by that is that those women are generally not getting messages from either attractive or articulate guys. So just the latter will put you way above average.

With men and women, your rating is conjunction on how much effort you put in. So you very well could be a 1.7, but it's b/c you don't try and make yourself better. You have some things going for you including your height and maybe intelligence. If you lost some weight, cleaned up your hygiene, etc. you could easily go from a 1.7 to a 4 or a 5 or higher. Same thing with women, a women who doesn't present themselves well can be a 2 but with some effort (makeup, working out, hygiene) and easily become a 5. Unless you are really disfigured, the reason you are where you are is your own fault. You seem to not take ownership of fixing your problems and want the easy way out of everything. The easy way could work for you--give it a try. If it doesn't work, you can fix some of your problems and better yourself and your situation.

From hearing women on this site and talking to women on dates, most guy's post really pathetic openers--so having a good one or putting in some effort can help. You could try a no photo approach and approach a bunch of really bottom of the barrel type women and see what happens. From this thread, there are women who get hits without pictures, maybe it would work for men approaching women.

I consider this woman a 10

She has a really nice body. Hair/eyebrows.....not 10 level to me. Really nice smile too.

Hair is what makes her a 10 in my book. I guess eyebrows are over plucked but my penis cares 0 about eyebrows.

Perfect bone structure in the face

I really wish i could disagree more but I cannot

Yeah that girl is pretty hot, banging body and great face, one of the few that can pull short hair off really well

Hot, but anyone ever met a hot girl who puts her IG in her profile? Likelihood of just attention seeking rockets when they have that.

I agree with whoever said TypicalBro is a troll account.

Is there some trend about turning the main profile pic sideways? I've seen this three times the past few days.

It's so random!!

I'm less concerned with fixing my general issues and more concerned with getting a date/girlfriend as I currently exist. I wasn't sure if that was possible, but it appears that there are numerous women online that are as unpopular as I am. This has given me some confidence about the whole endeavor.

I'm certainly very lazy. I'm also a borderline hermit who generally doesn't bother with hygiene/style concerns. But I'm starting to think that there might be some equally "undesirable" girl version of me out there. I had always assumed that all girls online got huge amounts of attention from guys, which was intimidating.

And I hate it when people get accused of trolling simply for having an atypical viewpoint or dilemma.

There are a whooooole lot of people out there. Some are bound to be weird.

There is a blog post but typically how the online and general world work when it comes to dating/women and likely men is the top top actually don't get as many messages as you would think b/c people are intimidated by them. Next group is the group that get's the most attention the 7-8 range by people. Then you have the 4-6 range which get's a decent amount of attention but not as much as 7-8--7-8 might get 3-4 times the amount of attention. Then 2-3 get minimal amounts of attention by anyone, this is where you may want to hit and of course 1s get almost no attention.