Never. I've read this entire thread and it seems that your experience has been pretty disappointing. Consisting of meeting very boring women that are not strong intellectually (you cited them not being able to comprehend or intellectually keep up with your thesis or work). That is not surprising consider no guy would date them in real life.

Anyone going to a bar for serious dating is clueless. You're only going to meet the kind of people who go to bars all the time! Why would anyone want that???

You are meeting people that are sociable, enjoy drinking, enjoy music, and enjoy a good time. You have people that can prove IN PERSON that they are attractive, can socially interact, and what sort of status they have.

How can any of that be proven by a few pictures (unsure from when or from what angle), and some text?

You would rather trust an online profile with pictures or meeting somebody in person?

Are you trolling?

Where are you getting this from? I have not met any women who I have been disinclined to go out with again because they were "not being able to comprehend or intellectually keep up with your thesis or work". In fact, I am able to select for intelligent women much more easily online than I would be going to a bar (if I were ever thought I have the ability to pick up a woman at a bar in the first place). All of the disappointment I have had have been for entirely different reasons.

I would much rather trust an online profile....they are much more informative that seeing someone in a bar without any other context. In a bar, you don't even know whether someone else is single, much less her job, interests, background, etc!

You mentioned something about your thesis and the women not understanding it or not being intrigued by it. If they were high quality women they would thus be high quality intellectually and understand/be interested in your thesis.

You also mentioned going on a ton of dates and not getting a real connection going with these women. Only thing I can infer from this is that they are behaving and acting on dates with you like they acted pre-online dating. Basically they were unable to find a guy interested in bars, clubs, parties, etc. for their lack of (fill in the blank area) and have continued that pattern on OKCupid or PlentyofFish.

Given your track record of tons of dates over the last few months I think you would agree that you have been highly disappointed in the quality of women you have met and can date seriously since you began online dating.

TommyTrash,

You are failing hard.

Online dating provides a huge pool of applicants that you can choose to go out with.

It's simply more efficient.

Why go out to bars 2-3 nights a week hoping to find someone who you might want to go on a date with when you can expedite the process 100x online?

You can see the person in real life. And go up to talk to them. You are telling me that the women you have been on dates with look exactly like their profile pictures? Their profile pictures could have been photo shopped, been taken 3 years ago, been a complete lie, etc.

In real life you can tell if the female is actually in shape or 30 pounds overweight. She can't trick you with headshots or pictures taken from certain angles.

I have not been at all disappointed in the quality of women I have dated online. I have only been disappointed by how many of them did not wish to continue dating me.

Moreover, despite these recent disappointments, I have been far more successful dating online than I ever was dating IRL. Half the women I have slept with I have met online. I have only ever once "picked-up" a girl I didn't already know in an IRL setting (and this wasn't even a bar, it was a girl at my table at the WSOP!).

90% of the women I have been out with look very close to their profile pics. And I am very rarely willing to just go up to someone I don't know and start talking to them.

And why do think they did not want to continue to date you? I comprehended that as they could not keep up with you intellectually and they knew they were not as intelligent as you on a social level. That they were intimidated by your intelligence and status as a professor.

ok, I know when I'm being trolled

Will everyone please stop responding to this f-ckhead? He's just arguing to argue.

This is your best post ever

Tommy,


I mean you are just so wrong in every regard I dont even know where to begin.


It doesnt even take anything to be successful in a bar scene because the majority of guys there just fail entirely, as Im sure youre aware.

If you think a non 1000 per bottle bar cannot possibly have ideal women then idk what to say. And I party in DC so yes I am referring to major cities.

I'm thinking about starting a "live game" thread. Honestly, my online game is now pretty damn good, thanks to this thread and experience. I get numbers and dates with ease.

Next step, how to achieve success on the dates, and how to become prolific at picking up girls in person.

Online is also cheaper than bars. Much cheaper. And you can search for chicks in your underwear, while drinking beer that doesn't cost 6 dollars a bottle.

Case closed.

Too bad the good looking chicks are at the bars and not browsing online dating sites in their underwear.

Fair enough. One of my main complaints about bars is how loud and crowded they are. How are you supposed to approach chicks when you have to scream into their ear to make yourself heard?

Another issue of mine is that I live in a city where I have no male friends to go out with.

you do realize that at bars girls are usually having a better time (have music and surrounded with friends) and there are things going on around you that you can talk about that won't be when you are sitting in a coffee shop or at a wine bar sharing a drink? you can also talk to girls where you are right next to them...compared to sitting on opposite sides of the table. People are also much more loose at bars.

people really transition a good portion of time from sharing a drink or two to back in the bedroom banging?

I know my success with girls is when we've had a decent amount to drink, are dancing, and having a good time with friends.

It's not sitting across from each other and having conversation in a quiet setting sipping on wine.

Paying for countless amounts of dinner dates is a sucker strategy for getting laid.

Nick wonders why he struggles with dates. Because he's with dead sober girls sitting across from him. I'm not advocating that drunk girls will lead to relationships but bars where girls are not dead sober are much easier to transition to sexual contact than having 1-2 drinks and talking about your day.

Girls want a chase. If they see you as a gut that wants to spend a bunch of money on dinner and drinks with them they'll be turned off, sorry to say. They don't want you wining and dining them initially. They want to have that doubt whether or not you'll spend time and money on them.

It's no shock this thread is such a giant fail. The whole online dating and date strategy is not a +EV play. Getting together with groups, dancing, drinking, and flirting at fun places is.

We were talking about which is better for dating, not for getting laid.

Who said you have to follow the

date, date, date route to start a relationship?

Why can't you go out with friends and invite the girl out if you have mutual friends?

You go to a fun setting, get some drinks, dance, make a good impression on her friends, etc.

This is all centered around meeting a girl at a bar, which is something most in this thread seem is impossible.

I'd wager BIG money that

meet girl at bar, get number/make out maybe...invite out next weekend to something fun

is a lot better than scanning profiles, sending a few messages, and having a sober drink sitting across from each other.

I must be nuts though.

If these things come easily to you, online dating is probably unnecessary. But that's not true of a lot of people.

I don't have friends to go out with. I don't dance. If I have more than 3-4 drinks in a night I get very sick. The sort of "fun" places you are describing make me anxious and claustrophobia. And I would almost never be willing to just go up to a girl in a bar and talk to her.

I have been to bars by myself before. I order a drink, sit there nervously for half an hour wondering what I am supposed to be doing, and leave. The contrast between this and my online dating experiences, as suboptimal as they are, is enormous.

To the anointed one.

What is the best way to approach a girl who's with a group of friends when you're by yourself in a bar-club scene?

In the clubs I frequent, I've actually been thinking about standing out front and chatting up the girls as they wait to get inside. You know, make some small talk, ask their name and say "Hey, catch me inside, I'll buy you a drink"

Sounds like you and I have similar experiences. And we've both recently moved to new cities where we have no male friends to socialize with.