Makes sense. Kinda follows with the date theory.

Never say "I don't know honey, what do you want to do"
Always "We're going here, and here, and we're going to have a great time doing that because, etc."

Here's another convo, here I am not taking charge again. This is from about an hour ago.


me
12/8/2012 6:29:47 PM
I'm luring girls to my house with candy,which do you prefer m&ms or gummy bears?

her
12/8/2012 6:36:09 PM
Definitely gummy bears lol


me
12/8/2012 6:38:11 PM
Need an address? ;-0

her
12/8/2012 6:39:59 PM
Mmmmm not yet I need to know a little bit about my kidnapper


me
12/8/2012 6:45:58 PM
I guess I can't be tall, dark and mysterious forever

Tell me what you wanna know

her
12/8/2012 8:11:35 PM
Where exactly do you live in tampa.

She just messaged me back 30 minutes ago. What's my response?

omg just stop, this thread was just starting to de-AIDS and you had to post this nonsense.

amazinmets, thanks for the updates. My advice would be to tell her where you live!

Tell her where you live and mention a cool place by your house to meet for a drink tonight. If she says busy tonight, ask for her number still to schedule a later date to meet. Then call her and establish some comfort.

You're taking to long in the online conversation with these girls to transition to a date.

You're too late. :-(

I said:
12/8/2012 8:31:48 PM
Temple Terrace, but you can catch me all over the city

so far so good

i'm a hoot

The laughable racism de-rail was the highlight of the thread.

It's topics like that that reaffirm my desire to live. Those types of discussions are the reason I go on the Internet. They are the reason I get up in the morning.

I got the date. Now, the issue. I have a car but can't drive right now due to license issues. Any ideas as far as how to work my way around this?

You knew this would be an issue beforehand. Come on now.

Women can't drive or something?

If a girl drives more than 20 minutes to see you, especially for a first meet-up, you are all but in

Well, you can't. What makes you think she can?

I would message her just for trollololol.

So amazing mets is not good at messaging IMO, in fact he seems kind of awful. But he seems genuinely like a decent guy which should help his case

Dale on the other hand seems hopelessly out of touch. Dale, I'm pretty liberal and love black women, your post seems so absurd it's funny

amazin-

as others have said already, your conversation is pretty horrible. stop sending weird and creepy messages. straight up asking a girl out on the like 2nd or 3rd message is never gonna work. i mean unless she thinks youre super hot and is just looking to hook up immediately.

also, openers are just that. theyre designed to open. once she responds, switch to some more normal (but still fun and playful) conversation. send a few of those back and forth and then get a number.

me
12/9/2012 6:44:57 AM
You and I must truely be kindred spirits... what the heck are you doing still up?

her
12/9/2012 6:45:21 AM
Lol u don't want to know ha


me
12/9/2012 6:53:03 AM
Haha, yea I know about those kinda nights. I just got in

her
12/9/2012 6:53:42 AM
Lol nah I dont think u Di


me
12/9/2012 6:57:33 AM
Go ahead and tell me then, Ill let you know

her
12/9/2012 6:58:48 AM
Lol can't do that


me
12/9/2012 7:01:04 AM
Hey, I'm no snitch. You can sell all the coke you want on those mean St Pete streets

her
12/9/2012 7:04:24 AM
Haha coke yea right I'm not a trap girl


me
12/9/2012 7:16:41 AM
You're up all hours of the night and refuse to disclose what you're doing. Sounds like you're selling rock to me
;-0
Like I said, don't worry, I won't tell.

her
12/9/2012 7:17:31 AM
Lol nah don't sell nothing.. I'm jus me ya feel me


me
12/9/2012 7:25:53 AM
Girl, I'm just teasing you.
Bed time though, more on this later

her
12/9/2012 7:26:48 AM
Yes that's what I'm trying to do but I need someone to cuddle

This was this morning, went to bed right after I sent my last message, and didn't read hers till I woke up. How to play this?

She's in St Pete. Got another chick in St Pete DTF too.

I run so bad at POF even though of the 2 I've met on there I banged one on the reg for 2 years and coulda had my way with the other but got grossed out when her shirt came off(I stole her bag of weed tho).

I've been firing off messages to the ok and meh broads in my area but I'm getting nowhere now. They look at my profile but never respond. My location is lacking in good looking women to say the least. Embarrassed to say I've even gone and emailed some fatties with cute faces that would be decent if they dropped a few lbs but even they don't respond. That hurts the ego a bit.

What kind of messages are you sending?

Well I usually try to work with what they have in their profiles and say something witty/ask a question. Not using any copy paste crap that I'm sure most guys are. I'm getting views from those I send messages to which makes me think it's not the messages that are the problem. Don't think its my appearance either since my photo ends up in all the messages I send. I dunno, maybe its the fact I'm 32 and hitting up 22+ year olds? I don't hit up any women my own age cuz they are looking for way more than I have to offer.

Probably a combination of a bunch of things tho. High school education, lack of fancy pictures, age, the fact that I'm thin and 5'8", beats the heck outta me.

Messaging women 10 years younger is probably the main factor in your lack of success. Also, are you messaging women who are college grads? I suspect very few 22-24 year olds with degrees are going to be interested in a 32 year old without a degree, to be honest.

Yeah I message whoever I have the slightest bit of attraction for, including college grads.

Maybe I'm targeting a different audience, but I'm surprised at how much effort in this thread has gone into evaluating second and third messages, etc.

In my experience, getting a girl to respond to a first message is low-probability no matter what the message contains (although some are definitely much better than others). Additionally, at least I have a tough time translating first dates into second dates.

But what isn't hard is getting a first date once a girl has responded to a first message. I'll ask a girl if she wants to get a drink (and give her my number), in my third message (occasionally even the second message)....about half the time she will text me, about half she will respond with her number. But I would say at least 80% of girls who respond to my first message I will end up going on a date with (unless I lose interest first).

I also can't understand people who give advice like not including your job or other specific information in your profile. Isn't the most important thing to look like a successful, well-adjusted person and not a creep? How would being vague about stuff help with this?

FWIW, almost all of my experience is on OK Cupid....I have a profile on POF, but it seems the girls on there are much lower quality, and there is much less info in most of their profiles anyway.