I assume there's a degree of hyperbole to this statement, but dating sites aren't fully representative of the dating market. Women have near unlimited options when using them, which causes their absurd standards. In more organic settings men have better odds.

I'd say online 85% of women are pursuing the top 10% of men. In organic environments (work, school, etc) it's closer to 75% pursuing the top 20%

https://www.today.com/tmrw/couples-w...-early-t236940

Yeah somewhat hyperbolic. Mostly my point is pulling women for the average dude will be easier IRL than online (This also limits women's results). To use the numbers scale, if you feel like you only matches with 5s or less online you could work on cold approach and "match" with 7s at a bar in no time

I don't enjoy going to bars or clubs though so totally get sticking to working on online results

I consider myself a 7 or 7.5. I had close to 2,000 matches on Hinge and had sex with over 15 girls from Hinge + Tinder in a little over a year. I don't patronize bars and clubs (waste of time and money and I don't drink alcohol). If I weren't attractive enough to get results online I think I'd opt for meetup groups, coffee shops etc.

Most dudes are chasing their tails online.

Hands down this is the cringiest thread on 2p2

Top 3 at best

It's not quite that much. Top 80% of women chasing the top 20% of men; the top 50% are chasing the top 5%.

Either way, it means online dating is a disaster for anyone other than the top males.

Those statistics are nearly 8 years old. I'm convinced it's worse now.

For example in '20 Tinders male to female ratio was 73-27, in '22 it's 78-22. That's merely a 2 year differential, as opposed to 7 years in the graph you cited.

0.75% close rate. Nice!

The numbers I saw from 2021 showed women swipe right about 5% of the time and men 53%

In 2022 I saw 4% and 64%. It just gets worse and worse.

Pretty soon it will be one man having sex with all the women!

Is this your way of announcing that you're single again!?

Hmm, if I get to be the one man, then that could be enough to persuade me!

Calm down, it's going to be Pete Davidson.

15 girls is bad though right or is that just the way it is these days? I'm obviously way worse than a 7 judging by the fact that I max out my swipes on two apps every day and never get any matches, so I guess we can assume I'm probably somewhere between like a 2 and a 5 but back in the 2000s when I was looking for sex I was getting with more than 15 women a year. I don't understand how you can match with 2000 women and only have sex with 15 of them. Obviously the system is severely broken.

As for swiping, I definitely swipe right under 50% of the time. Maybe a third of the time, but that's just a guess. Clearly women swipe right on me less than 4% of the time.

Regarding relationships, I was in one back in 2000 or 2001. I think it lasted 3 months, but maybe it was like one month. It was so long ago that I can't remember.

You're probably way better than that if you were getting plenty when you were younger. A guy in the top 40% attractiveness can expect to be liked around 1% of the time.



The one caveat to that is if you want casual sex in your 30s and 40s, you need more going on that just being attractive.

A thing that's missing is that guys on average are way worse at creating their profiles (especially taking photos) than women. You can raise your rating by at least 2 points by creating a good profile with good pictures. Also imo girls are way more "typey" than guys. You have to learn how to create an image with your profile that caters to the type of women you want to attract. If you can't do that then you are probably boring and should focus on expanding your hobbies and interests or settle for less than 5s.

Nah I think I was just bold. It was also a different time back then and women were different. I'm sure some of my methods could still be used but all of the online resources are gone. AIM, yahoo messenger, DallasPeeps, Migente, MySpace, chat rooms, etc etc etc have been replaced by the likes of Bumble, Tinder, and Hinge. It's really really terrible.

Probably a combination of the two. Studies show a decline in male sexual activity starting in '08, which correlates with the introduction of dating apps.

I just saw a woman post a screenshot of a message she received on facebook.

The guy said: "Wow! You look great."

She replied: "wow. you look thirsty"

That's certainly not the type of response you would have received in decades past, much less would a woman think so highly of her response that she would post it to the world. For the record she did not look great. She looked old an anorexic (meth head?), and given the way she presents herself online there is no way the young man had anything other than sexual intentions, but still this is symbolic of the dating scene in 2022 where even a simple compliment can be turned against you.

An average looking 38 year old in 2022 has more men pursuing her than a 22 year old model in 1992.

I don't know about that but I will say they are similar in expectations.


Just kidding, the 38 year old is pickier.