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02-05-2009 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TruFloridaGator
Maybe I'm forgetting when/why Charlotte has been on the island before...
I think there was an episode where Charlotte found a Darma insigna on a ?polar bear? collar on an archeology dig in Tunisa. Only a hint at previous association with the island.
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02-05-2009 , 02:20 AM
Is no one going to suggest that Madame thinks they all look the same?
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02-05-2009 , 02:24 AM
And I give it a B+ episode. That's fine, not every show should be jaw dropping, Season 2 and 3 suffered from too many attempts to be spectacular.

- I think Sawyer is getting back to his roots.

- What exactly is Locke's team eating and drinking now?
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02-05-2009 , 02:30 AM
From the point of view of Sawyer, Locke, and everybody on the island, how long has it been since Ben turned the wheel and the end of the most recent episode?

I ask this because it seems like Jin has been floating in the water for a long time.

Also, he floated very far. The ship blew up on the opposite side of the island (within view of the camp).
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02-05-2009 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
From the point of view of Sawyer, Locke, and everybody on the island, how long has it been since Ben turned the wheel and the end of the most recent episode?

I ask this because it seems like Jin has been floating in the water for a long time.

Also, he floated very far. The ship blew up on the opposite side of the island (within view of the camp).
yes, the timing of the people on island vs. LA has me confused, because on the island didn't this season seem to pick up basically right after the wheel turn?

It seems like it's literally only been a day or two, which would make Jin floating in the water and surviving plausible.

Also, did anyone pick up what the guy said to Sayid when he loosened up his chokehold? I replayed it a few times, but I couldn't make out the words.
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02-05-2009 , 02:44 AM
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Sawyer just accepting that John was somehow going to bring them back to the island without blinking was absurd to me btw

I feel the writers haven't known what to do with sawyer in season 4 and this season
if it were me, I wouldn't have pressed it either because my plan would be to leave with Locke and not come back
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02-05-2009 , 02:49 AM
God I ****ing hate being on the west coast and coming into this thread every week to see that everyone's already posted everything I wanted to say/point out

...except somehow nobody mentioned that young Rousseau is super cute and I <3 her
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02-05-2009 , 02:50 AM
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Guessing off the cuff here, but I would think it has to do with repeated time loops.

Not saying I'm all 100% sure or behind the timelooptheory.com theory, but I think there is some merit to the fact that if some of these things have happened before, then they are looping back and the time travel occurs to try and change a future instance (whole point of the show I'm guessing), and sometimes people jump back and an instance like this occurs for the 'first time'.

So it is the first time that this particular loop has happened, which is why Rousseau wouldn't recognize Jin. She saw him in a previous loop during our Losties beach camp time, but basically that it has now happened in the past compared to our present loop. A different timeline.

I'm sure someone else can state it better.
I have a serious problem with this form of explaining it. This implies that one can time travel and there would thus be an infinite number of futures based on what one does when traveling back. For example, you could travel back and hit Charlotte in the head with a stick (she's gotta go imo), and then you could travel back to that same moment in time and decide not to hit Charlotte in the head and create two entirely different futures. And then this would apply to every single thing you ever do so there'd be an infinite number of possible futures. I guess it ties a little into the butterfly effect here where you can essentially change the entire course of history by just acting differently in one specific instance.

This is what I mean by saying I don't like the concept of using time travel in mainstream television to begin with, because it seems to be just too complex and counter-intuitive for most people (including myself). Yet I feel that so far they've done at least a decent job with actually using the time travel device as a means of explaining certain happenings in the island's history (appearance of Rousseau, possibly Black Rock, four toed statue? etc.). It'd also be very very interesting if it turns out certain moments in past seasons were actually taking place in these current time jumps. The problem, though, is that once you turn to time travel as a device to unravel your story the audience demands explanations. And at this point I doubt the explanations that will be given will be sufficient for many viewers.

All that being said, I still love this show and am certainly a loyal fan. I look forward to next week and I still enjoyed this episode. I think the show and the writers deserve a little leeway in developing the time travel angle. They've had some strange things written in the past and it's worked out pretty damn well so far. So we'll see...
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02-05-2009 , 02:56 AM
So blogs, newspapers and forums seem to be claiming that Lost has jumped the shark.
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02-05-2009 , 03:06 AM
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So blogs, newspapers and forums seem to be claiming that Lost has jumped the shark.
People that hate time travel are probably claiming that.

Before: "OMFG, please give us answers."
Now: "OMFG, I hate how they are giving the answers. Shark jump!"
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02-05-2009 , 03:07 AM
I have been a die hard lost fan since the show started, but I seriously have to say this season is weak imo.

How in the world are casual fans ever going to want to watch this show? It's like taking a 400 level class trying to figure everything out. Imo most people don't have the time/patience to go online and read about everything that happens which will really really hurt the ratings.

I'm still meh about the season, but still find it entertaining. It really needs to kick into gear. I remember how frustrated I was in season 3 when Kate and Sawyer were locked in that frickin bear cage for like 12 episodes. I feel the same way right now. Just get back to the island already!!!
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02-05-2009 , 03:09 AM
In real life we can never change the past; good fiction plays by the same rule and we just have to accept it.

Such as in the original Twilight Zone we wonder why the plane just doesn't land in 1920 and get more fuel before going back into the temporal jetstream. That's because its impossible have a modern (well, in 1960) jet land in 1920 and therefore the piece wouldn't be serious.
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02-05-2009 , 03:09 AM
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Also seemed to me the random French chick not named Rousseau had a huuuuuuge rack.
I thought the same thing during the scene where the whole group is standing over Jin.

Screencaps or actress name anyone?
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02-05-2009 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ShivaBabel
I think there was an episode where Charlotte found a Darma insigna on a ?polar bear? collar on an archeology dig in Tunisa. Only a hint at previous association with the island.
In last year's finale, she makes a reference to having been born on the island.
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02-05-2009 , 03:20 AM
Is everybody's presence on the island going to be the result of some type of electro-magnetic disruption?

Oceanic 815 crashed because of a lack of number entering/button pushing. Now we've seen both the drug plane and Rousseau's ship have problems and crash immediately prior to the losties arriving in a time jump.

Is Henry Gale (the baloonist) going to show up this season too? The Black Rock crew arriving seems to be anticipated.

Are there any theories on how the U.S. army team managed to get on the island?
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02-05-2009 , 03:21 AM
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Why didn't Rousseau remember him in the future? I know it was discussed, but obviously she should remember him if we're going with the same time travel loop theory that includes Locke meeting Richard in the 50s(last ep) which leads Richard to visit John when he is a kid.
I don't think anyone would remember what Jin looked like 16 years later after all she had been through.

Richard had specific reasons for remebering Locke, he isn't going to forget that.
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02-05-2009 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
I have been a die hard lost fan since the show started, but I seriously have to say this season is weak imo.

How in the world are casual fans ever going to want to watch this show? It's like taking a 400 level class trying to figure everything out. Imo most people don't have the time/patience to go online and read about everything that happens which will really really hurt the ratings.

I'm still meh about the season, but still find it entertaining. It really needs to kick into gear. I remember how frustrated I was in season 3 when Kate and Sawyer were locked in that frickin bear cage for like 12 episodes. I feel the same way right now. Just get back to the island already!!!
The casual fan will watch Lost just for the entertainment factor. They won't care about the realistic/unrealistic parts of the show. They aren't the ones going online trying to dissect every minute of the show.
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02-05-2009 , 03:32 AM
While we are starting to get some elements of the island explained. We still have no clue why all of the losties are connected and what ALL of this means. Fate/Destiny is a huge element in the show, but how does fate come to be? Is the island run by God or is it a godlike being?
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02-05-2009 , 03:36 AM
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...except somehow nobody mentioned that young Rousseau is super cute and I <3 her
+100

it's a shame they all turn into crazy worn out *****es though
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02-05-2009 , 03:38 AM
For all the Little Prince references out there: I think trying to read aspects of that book into Lost is going too far. The writers of this show go to great lengths to drop literary references, and this is just another case of that.

That said, for the poster who got besix douze = B6 12 thank you! I got the besix part had to be a faux French word, but would never have figured out the connection.
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02-05-2009 , 03:45 AM
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I don't think anyone would remember what Jin looked like 16 years later after all she had been through.
I'm pretty sure someone who's been trapped on an Island for 20 years, and probably seen a total of 25 human beings during that time is going to remember the dying asian man she met when she found the Island.
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02-05-2009 , 03:53 AM
previous info about danielle and co that might come up again soon:

-part of a 6-person science expedition that found the island because of the numbers being broadcast

-she is 7 months pregnant when she arrives on the island

-she changes the radio tower transmission signal from the numbers to her message 3 days before alex is born

-alex was taken a week after she was born, after a pillar of black smoke was seen

-a member of her crew, montand, loses an arm at some point in the 'dark territory' (the area around the black rock ship)

-her team gets some kind of sickness, and that forces her to kill robert

-danielle's distress call, when correctly translated (not shannon's attempt), mentions that "brennan took the keys"

-she refers to the smoke monster as a security system
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02-05-2009 , 04:03 AM
- I thought that in her first show she said she killed her entire team because they got the sickness.

*** Her character was one of the things that made Season 1 awesome. The island had an insane French rifle-wielding jungle-dyke who had murdered her people because she thought THEY had gone mad.

More awesome on screen than in text.
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02-05-2009 , 04:14 AM
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previous info about danielle and co that might come up again soon:

-part of a 6-person science expedition that found the island because of the numbers being broadcast

-she is 7 months pregnant when she arrives on the island

-she changes the radio tower transmission signal from the numbers to her message 3 days before alex is born

-alex was taken a week after she was born, after a pillar of black smoke was seen

-a member of her crew, montand, loses an arm at some point in the 'dark territory' (the area around the black rock ship)

-her team gets some kind of sickness, and that forces her to kill robert

-danielle's distress call, when correctly translated (not shannon's attempt), mentions that "brennan took the keys"

-she refers to the smoke monster as a security system
Thanks, this is great. I was going to watch some of the old episodes just to brush up on this type of stuff.
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02-05-2009 , 04:27 AM
c'mon lost writers. show me that you had it planned all along.
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