Key word is "legal" according to all accounts this didn't qualify.

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The article I read said he was from the Salt Lake City PD. So not exactly a small town.

Those people should not be cops.

I've been posting about this over in the Politics & Economics forum (in the "Law and Order 2" thread) so I didn't know there was a [separate] thread in this forum - until now. I have a question ...

In this post:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=5312

Dvaut1 advances a possible theory as to why Officer Payne wanted that blood sample, that "theory" being that Officer Payne himself may have been violating Idaho law (and proper police procedure) by engaging in a high speed chase of a fleeing suspect. This entire chain of events which culminated in Officer Payne "snapping" and then arresting nurse Wubbels [apparently] began with the high speed chase that resulted in the deadly crash. Without that high speed chase, none of this might have (or would have) happened.

The "facts" (whatever they are) will come out in the various investigations currently underway, but I'm wondering if it is known who the officer was that gave chase? Specifically, was it Officer Payne? (DVaut1 seems to be implying that it was Officer Payne, but is that a known fact - or speculation?)

I can't figure what the motive is here and why Officer Payne was so obsessed with getting that blood draw. His arrest of nurse Wubbels is likely to cost him his job - and possibly his freedom if he is prosecuted and convicted. Why in the hell would he risk all that for a blood sample?

Don't be bringing Politards crap here.

Amurica loves to brag about all the rights ordinary citizens have..On paper sure but wait until you try to actually assert your rights. Cops are no different than the the KGB or Gestapo just do whatever they want to whoever they want sieg ****in heil.

The solution is simple. Rather than having tax payers foot the bill for police incompetence allow citizens to sue police personally. Settlements wouldn't be as large but claims would go way down if officers knew everything they own and their pensions were at risk of being lost if they violate citizens rights. I'd guess police would be more civil if they didn't have the tax payers as a safety net. Make them pay personally.

Disgusting how former DJ is defending the cops in his post.

OK, I have now read through this entire thread so I don't need an explanation as to what was motivating Officer Payne in particular and the SLC police in general.

I agree with those who are speculating that Salt Lake City (and the SLC Police Department) are almost certainly going to get sued. (I can even see the family of the man who was fleeing - and got killed - suing.) The payouts/settlements will probably be in the millions - if not the tens of millions of dollars. Nurse Alex Webbels probably has a good case too, but I sense - based on television interviews she has given - that she is more interested in seeing wrongs righted (and bad practices stopped) than she is money grubbing via lawyers. (Good for her! She's total class.)

The one I really feel sorry for is Reserve Deputy Gray, the truck driver who has been severely burned. He has probably been disfigured for life and will have significant medical expenses for years. (Skin grafts are not only very expensive but take a long time to grow and heal. Burns are one of the worst kind of injuries that a person can suffer.) I seriously doubt if his lawsuit will go to a jury - unless he's suing for a truly astronomical amount of money. Any group of twelve men and women forced to look at a man who has been severely burned - while simultaneously realizing that the same thing could just as easily have happened to any one of them - will be moved to award huge monetary damages to Mr. Gray.

As for possible criminal prosecution, it looks like Officer Payne and his Watch Commander, Lieutenant Tracy, may be facing real legal jeopardy. Plus, with the Salt Lake City Mayor and the District Attorney under severe political pressure - these elected public officials cannot be seen as trying to sweep this under the rug - the heat is going to really be on to get indictments and convictions. If indicted, I suppose Officer Payne's argument to the jury will be that he was just following orders, (i.e. "I was doing what my Watch Commander ordered me to do!") The Watch Commander will probably try to argue that he was merely following protocol and the law - as he understood it. Whether the jury will buy such arguments is the $64,000 question.

It's interesting that all this has happened in a predominantly "white" (i.e. non African-American and non-minorities), state - unless you want to call Mormons a minority. The police officers [defendants] may be unlucky in that respect. There are a lot of other places in this country where the police would probably get away with this ...

So you're a professor, huh? You're so bright your mother must call you "sun" in the night.

No, criminal charges would be more efficient.

If more cops actually went to jail instead of losing their job or getting suspended with pay when violating the law, holding them to a higher standard and putting them in jail would go along ways to straighten out the system.

Right now, that is not in their collective mindset.

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Im pretty sure you:
- have bumper stickers
- dont win at poker
- dont no nuttin bout logic

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All of these questions about the advanced motives of the cop in question remind me of a time I was at a kid's birthday party and watched three guests, who are members of the local sheriff's dept of various ranks, spend a good twenty minutes trying to hang a piñata. They were continuously taking turns trying to throw an unweighted rope end over a tree branch without even an hint of promised success until the owner grabbed a ladder from the shed about 10 feet away.

I'm not saying that police are of less than average intellect or problem solving ability. I mean how would that happen?
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.g...ory%3fid=95836

The fact that high speed highway police chases even happen is hilariously ****in' stupid at best.

Way too much risk for such little reward. Unless the mother****er just robbed a bank and has a ****ing hostage you probably shouldnt risk a bunch of innocents lives. lol merica

Absolutely but why not both? If you or I shoot or assault someone and it isn't self defense we could be both sued personally and criminally charged.

I'm not disagreeing with you,both would be a better deterrent than the policies in effect now.



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Dude turn off your ****ing sig!

Lol, this irritates so many on here for some reason.

I don't know whether to leave it or change it to something positive about Trump

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Another nurse arrested. And clocked. Facing felony assault on a police officer.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...182880856.html

THE U IS BACK

The most amazing part is that their official position is that this is how police are supposed to act.

The cop in the original incident was fired, and the nurse is receiving a $500,000 settlement, in lieu of possible legal action:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...orded-on-video

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/3...00-settlement/

Smart of her. She probably could have gotten $1MM+ in litigation but 40% would go to an attorney. She was not going to get $5MM just for being in handcuffs.

That officer, on the other hand, deserves to be arrested for a false arrest. Losing his job isn't enough.

I saw his interview. Does it really surprise anyone that their union immediately defends any officer's actions?

I think he will get away with it under the premise that she struck him with her hand and he only used his hand. It wasn't like he took out his gun and shot her. Which some police certainly would have done on a lone traffic stop if they were anyway touched.

chill,

LOL, that incident was total bull**** by the cop, and he deserved to get fired for that. But lol @ getting $500k for that.

why? false arrest is a big deal and shouldn't be tolerated. The $500k isn't supposed to be equal to her suffering, or whatever.