This is just completely untrue.

It might not have been in the same quantity as Lost discussion but to say it was not there or obscure is absolutely incorrect.

There was fairly substantial discussion of Sopranos online, and it also was a lot more elaborate than the example you give, symbolic nuances were discussed endlessly.

Also Lost started several years after Sopranos when there were just more people online and online behaviours such as discussing omg plot twist had more channels and was more established, so its a bit apples and oranges to make a direct comparison.

Lost was a big production that managed to fool people into thinking that they had a decent story to tell them. Nothing more.

Cliffhangers are the nuts!

I like cliffhangers too. Maybe it's a generational thing.

<insert rant about kids today and their lack of patience>

Yeah but... S4 E5... The Constant. Blew my mind. Unfortunately it got worse from their on in.

Still watched it all. Still cried in the finale.

Leftovers is far better though!

I don't hate cliffhangers that are well written. It's just the dumb ones that insult the viewers intelligence. The ones where the only alternatives are umm ok either the hero of the series dies or pulls something outta his ass.. gee wonder who will win this 1?

In an effort to make this post somewhat thread topic-relevant, one of the reasons I love the show Gotham (available on NF streaming) so much is that despite the fact you know NONE of the major characters are getting killed off, they still manage to build great suspense-filled stories.

Macgrubber!

We know that Gilligan's going to screw up that rescue attempt somehow too.

this guys right

The Keepers is really good. Just brutal to watch. Agree that the pacing is slow, but that's a relavitely minor quibble.

WOWW can;t believe season 3 is out now. I stopped after season 2 ep 1. Just felt it dragged on and quite frankly, I didn't give a ****. unlike s1

Several big Cliff hangers at the end of Season 2.
I am 6 and half episodes into season 3 and its damn good!

I'll start up s2 sometime soon

Bloodline was great the first season. A perfect candidate for a one season and done type of show. Season 2 was okay but a severe drop off and nowhere near the quality of season one. To keep it going they had to go where they did and it isn't an entertaining direction for my tastes.

I just watched the first 2 of season 3 and so far meh. I just don't care that much. I will finish it but don't expect satisfaction. I loved the atmosphere and the beautiful Keys scenery but so far season 3 is all in the dark either outside at night or inside very dark gloomy spaces. Very unappealing visually.

Thought War Machine was just OK.. Worth watching for Pitt's performance, but the plot is garbage.

Finished the keepers. Really good but man, so tilted at so many things.

Once I started this I couldn't look away. I don't know if it was good documentary film making from a technical standpoint, but the story is pretty goddamned compelling!


Looking forward to Flaked s2, loved s1.

My main problem w/ the keepers is that half the scenes are pointless wrt to driving the narrative of the story forward. I get that they were trying to really drive home the point that this case was basically reopened b/c of a bunch of 50 y/o homemakers with no investigative experience, but there were TONS of unnecessary scenes. I can think of at least 5 scenes where they forced us to watch middle-aged women google something on the internet.

I get showing that kinda thing once or twice to establish mood or context, but at some point it becomes overkill.

All that being said I still think everyone w/ a netflix account should watch it b/c the story it presents is amazing.

The "excitement of possibilities" is key. As I've written before, Lost is legendary if it gets canceled after 1-3 seasons. Lynch knew this on Twin Peaks and called solving the mystery "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs".

Of all the works I've read and seen and played where a lot of the enjoyment is based on some deep mystery, the resolution is almost always disappointing. People think they want to know everything, but in reality they don't.

Lost leading to Breaking Bad is ludicrous revisionist history. Non-network serialized show in the United States where the creators are given freedom is mostly Sopranos as the breakout hit. Arguments can be made for contributions from a bunch of network shows before it (West Wing, Twin Peaks, Dallas), maybe for Oz and some BBC shows. The "Golden Age" (eyeroll) of TV started years before Lost, with Sopranos. We already had The Wire by that point also.

A work of art isn't that good if it's going to collapse on any subsequent viewing.

I watched it literally in the last few weeks, and the Jacob origin episode is better than most of the other trash episodes in the last couple of seasons, because it actually tells a reasonable story where the stakes aren't completely obscured. (Don't get me wrong, it's not "good".)

Polar bear was adequately explained.

Yes, Sopranos talk was substantial relative to the state of the internet at that time, as was Twin Peaks talk. Twin Peaks is "known" to have been a trailblazer in online discussion of TV shows.

Sure, Lost happened on probably a grander scale because it was a network show after widespread internet use and before streaming/binging culture. So what?

the bar is so low with lost that people are happy when an episode doesnt completly sux, I d say lost precede Thewalking dead if you want to see the true legacy.

Talk about it like it's a currently running show...

Guarantee most people that discovered LOST on Netflix don't like it and it probably has more to do with the fact their friends who watched it when it aired never shut the hell up about how great it was then it does the later seasons.

You 'mericans already got that new house of cards season eh?

It's coming out in monopoly land in a few days. I feel like its dropped off though, but i'll keep watching it I suppose.

i'm in usa and house of cards doesn't release until may 30

Same in france