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07-19-2018 , 09:47 PM
The job I turned down a few months ago was developing games that preyed on these types of people. I couldn't do it.
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07-19-2018 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Facebook cash payments to family overseas?
You never know, she has a son who lives in Austin and to our knowledge, all her family is in the US. Wish it was this instead of pissing it away on nothing
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07-19-2018 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Several years ago I had what I thought what was trigeminal neuralgia. I didn't, but I can guarantee you that if I had, there was no way I could have gotten enough meds prescribed for me legitimately.
sounds horrific, she hides the pain well, never says much and never whines when by all accounts she has plenty of reason to
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07-19-2018 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
sounds horrific, she hides the pain well, never says much and never whines when by all accounts she has plenty of reason to
Yep. I would be far more concerned that she was sneakily (to her) converting her assets to cash to buy drugs rather than frittering away large sums gambling or playing idiotic FB games.
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07-19-2018 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
My dads safety and well being is my number one priority...
Please explain how this woman's purchase of in game trinkets or whatever is effecting your father's safety?

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Originally Posted by Shuffle
It's not rational; it's a scam. I'm pretty sure these freemium scam companies and Facebook aren't required to post anti-addiction commercials and 1-800 GET HELP numbers like casinos have to.

All it would take is some legislative action and a brief media campaign and most of this rubbish would have the reputation of a Nigerian email scam.
This is quite a hot take. I'm pretty sure that most consumers and legislators would agree that in game purchases aren't a scam.


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sounds horrific, she hides the pain well, never says much and never whines when by all accounts she has plenty of reason to
Sounds like you're about to give her another reason.
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07-19-2018 , 10:16 PM
Completely disagree. In game purchases have been deemed illegal in several jurisdictions
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07-19-2018 , 10:20 PM
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The Ninth Circuit has held that a free-to-play virtual casino app offering in-app purchases of virtual chips for continued gameplay may constitute illegal gambling under Washington state law.
https://blog.zwillgen.com/2018/04/09...-gambling-law/

Not sure if you want to be on the side of Washington St when it comes to online gambling, though.
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07-19-2018 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Yep. I would be far more concerned that she was sneakily (to her) converting her assets to cash to buy drugs rather than frittering away large sums gambling or playing idiotic FB games.
I think I'd be less concerned if that's the case. That disease sounds horrible and I ain't gonna begrudge somebody hitting the black market to cope.
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07-19-2018 , 10:23 PM
You guys are all just trolling right? I mean this is a gambling forum. One of the preferred past times/occupations of everyone here is online gambling, and everyone on this forum pitched a fit for years after black friday.

smh
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07-19-2018 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I think I'd be less concerned if that's the case. That disease sounds horrible and I ain't gonna begrudge somebody hitting the black market to cope.
Good point.
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07-19-2018 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I think I'd be less concerned if that's the case. That disease sounds horrible and I ain't gonna begrudge somebody hitting the black market to cope.
Should we begrudge them if their coping mechanism is 50+hrs per week playing a game?
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07-19-2018 , 10:26 PM
I think they do crap like make it really easy to buy stuff accidentally if you've already put your cc details in. Some of them seem incredibly sketchy and if your stepmother is on oxycotin she could easily be making purchases without realising. Well that's what I have read anyway.
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07-19-2018 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by de captain
Should we begrudge them if their coping mechanism is 50+hrs per week playing a game?
For $200k, with no possibility of winning anything? Yeah, I'm OK with thinking that deserves an intervention.
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07-19-2018 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
I think they do crap like make it really easy to buy stuff accidentally if you've already put your cc details in. Some of them seem incredibly sketchy and if your stepmother is on oxycotin she could easily be making purchases without realising. Well that's what I have read anyway.
So you think a retired accountant accidentally spent 200k playing an online game and paid her cc every month for 2 years without noticing?

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Originally Posted by zikzak
For $200k, with no possibility of winning anything? Yeah, I'm OK with thinking that deserves an intervention.
She most certainly isn't going to win anything buying black market drugs to cope but you wouldn't begrudge her that.

What's a fair rate then for a game that you don't win anything but you enjoy, presumably can afford, and perhaps works as a coping mechanism for suicidal tendencies?

If she plays 50hrs per week it's less than $40/hr.

Last edited by de captain; 07-19-2018 at 10:34 PM.
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07-19-2018 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by de captain
So you think a retired accountant accidentally spent 200k playing an online game and paid her cc every month for 2 years without noticing?
No of course not. I'm just saying the way they've set some of those games up is quite sketchy and while playing it can be easy to purchase things accidentally. I make no moral judgment on how she spends her money especially if it helps distract her from her pain. I wouldn't do it but I am not in her situation. I'm not quite sure why it's a huge issue if she can afford it tbh. It's her money. It would be different if it was impacting Yim's dad or if she had young kids or whatever.
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07-19-2018 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
de captain, you're doing a good job outing yourself as a bad poster whose paycheck probably contains some of OP's dad's g/f's $200,000
Lol I just think it's funny how hypocritical everyone posting here is about gambling, and a person's right to spend their money how they please.

Everyone here is jumping to conclusions without any frame of reference. What if you knew this woman was loaded with a net worth of 50 million and spending 100k per year on games prevented her from committing suicide?

Last edited by de captain; 07-19-2018 at 10:44 PM. Reason: Rich people spend money on all kinds of dumb ****. Her's isn't even close to the dumbest
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07-19-2018 , 10:44 PM
These games aren't gambling. You can't win money playing them.
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07-19-2018 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
These games aren't gambling. You can't win money playing them.
Who cares? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of games that wealthy people spend 100k per year to play.
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07-19-2018 , 10:52 PM
Possibly the point de cap is making is if this was say a guy aged 72 in a similar situation spending 100k a year on fishing and hookers nobody would give a rats. It probably does depend a lot on her money situation and also her expected lifespan if it's truly an issue.
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07-19-2018 , 10:53 PM
Well maybe not hookers but you get my drift.
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07-19-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
Possibly the point de cap is making is if this was say a guy aged 72 in a similar situation spending 100k a year on fishing and hookers nobody would give a rats. It probably does depend a lot on her money situation and also her expected lifespan if it's truly an issue.
Thanks

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she's 72...we checked her brokerage account and its only down $100,000 from the amount it was when we saw the first CC pymt 24 months ago until today...
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If some old fish at a poker game had $200,000 in a retirement account, and a year later they had $100,000 left after donating to the game, yeah it's time to have a talk with them.
OP explained that he snooped into her personal finances and found out her brokerage account is only down 100k after 2 years. A 72 yr old likely has other assets as well. "Only down 100k" doesn't sound like someone about to run out of money.

What if this woman was given 6 mos - 1 year to live by her doctor but she doesn't want to mention it to her partner because his son is always meddling in her personal affairs as it is and she has money to last 20 years and just wants to play games on her phone because it takes her mind off of things?

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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Somebody who manages to blow $100k a year on fishing or golfing trips at least gets the social experience and vacations to go with that spending, as opposed to just kicking back pills on their couch. Of course, I imagine if they blew most of their net worth on those trips, family members would probably intervene too.
Who are you to judge how people spend their money?

You really believe that family members should intervene if a retiree decides to spend their hard earned money on fishing trips?

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I take it the money is significant otherwise OP wouldn't have posted.
It's considerably more significant to OP than it is to the woman it belongs to.

Last edited by de captain; 07-19-2018 at 11:14 PM.
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07-19-2018 , 11:04 PM
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I take it the money is significant otherwise OP wouldn't have posted.

Somebody who manages to blow $100k a year on fishing or golfing trips at least gets the social experience and vacations to go with that spending, as opposed to just kicking back pills on their couch. Of course, I imagine if they blew most of their net worth on those trips, family members would probably intervene too.
What exactly can anyone do to stop someone spending their own money btw? If she's mentally competent I can't see how anyone can stop this. Possibly encouraging her to find a cheaper distraction? Also the comment about kicking back pills on the couch is pretty uncalled for. You're against pain management for chronic conditions?
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07-19-2018 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
No autopay, she's lucid, very sharp (aside from the obvious gambling blind spot) and knows what she's doing. Remember, when confronted by my dad, she admitted she was gambling. If she wasn't, there is no way she would turn a blind eye to these charges. She was an accountant for 40 years

How would you suggest I find the evidence of her gambling? I already searched her browsing history and only found the 2 Facebook "casinos" mentioned above
I'm pretty sure this clears up whether she is mentally competent.
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07-19-2018 , 11:22 PM
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There's definitely room to debate how much pain management people should do with pills vs. how much they should do by just getting off their ass and trying to occupy their mind and time.
If only there were a handheld device that would take your mind off of the pain and occupy your time.
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07-19-2018 , 11:23 PM
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OP explained that he snooped into her personal finances and found out her brokerage account is only down 100k after 2 years. A 72 yr old likely has other assets as well. "Only down 100k" doesn't sound like someone about to run out of money.

What if this woman was given 6 mos - 1 year to live by her doctor but she doesn't want to mention it to her partner because his son is always meddling in her personal affairs as it is and she has money to last 20 years and just wants to play games on her phone because it takes her mind off of things?
"only" was a poor choice of words on my part, what I was trying to convey is that her investment account is not down the full $200,000 so other income has mitigated whatever she has spent the $200K on.

$100K is still a significant portion of her net worth and she wouldn't last long if she got in the habit of spending $10,000-$25,000/month like we saw over the period we examined.

She has not been told she is terminal

Anyway, it sounds like the only way we're going to find out what "FACEBK 650-543-7818 CA" is and what it relates to is by getting her to tell us or get access to the credit card. I'm not having any luck using my Google "skills"
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