scum recognizes scum

Just face it guys the buyout isn't gonna happen. It took an incredible amount of effort to get beast to be able to send money back and forth with one person. ONE PERSON - Alobar. If you try to get NS4u to send him money its gonna be a nightmare, take weeks, and he's gonna try to back out of it 10 times.

Anyways, why would he even take $250 at this point? If he's in, the contest is on with everyone, so all he has to do is crush it and that's like $2000. He already posted in this thread "Guess I just gotta win this next contest then" that's implicit confirmation that he is participating.

Also I liked how funny it was when beast earlier in the thread
Beast: "Nobody cares about your stupid bitcoins"
Months pass...
Beast: "Man I'm getting straight up raped on paypal fees"
Lol, Alobar takes bitcoins and so does 5dimes. How terrible are you beast at recognizing when things are good for you and you should look into them? Stone awful.

let me know when I try to rip anyone off here for cash. tia

Banned: "What's the point of waiting a whole month to ship back his money?" At the time he was claiming he simply wanted to quit gambling and his only issue was he didn't want to lose the money. This would let him get the money back in the same timeframe it was going to be committed in the contest without forcing him to play the contest. And it wouldn't reward him if all he was doing was throwing a tantrum to get $250 more to deposit into 5Dimes ASAP.

NoSoup: "I had hoped that if you preferred not to wager with me that we would contribute the full $290 to charity" Sounds good to me.

It seems to me that the Beast's welfare is for the Beast to consider, not me. I have no idea how much of his outrage is real and how much is feigned; clearly, there is at least some of the latter. Similarly, I have no idea what his real circumstances are: I think he's actually quite correct in asserting that none of us know his true condition, but that's primarily because he's not honest about articulating it. I'm sure some of what he says is true; but equally surely, some of it is deliberately false and much else is withheld.

I only lightly troll and tease the Beast, but also have been willing to engage with him at some level of seriousness -- which he rejects, every time, in favor of ballistic and occasionally creative insults hurled at pretty much everyone.

I fully understand that there are differing views about how this Board should treat the Beast. I certainly am not in the business of telling others how they should treat him; that, it seems to me, is up to them.

Except he's repeating behavior that he exhibited many time over the years across numerous forums.

It's really pretty simple as there are two options/outcomes. Either you want tbab around, in which case we keep his money, run the contest, and deal with tbab being his usual self for another month or so OR its decided he's worn out his welcome and needs to be permabanned in which case his money is sent back and everyone moves on.

That's it. Really shouldn't be anymore complicated than that. Why it's being looked at any deeper is beyond me. You think you're going to teach him a lesson about responsibility by not returning his money....or returning it over a period of time? Give me a break. No one in here is teaching him anything. He is who he is and we're not going to change that. Do you have some vision in your head of a beast saying "I sure am glad you guys didn't give my money back. I've learned a valuable lesson and will be a better person going forward". Not happening.

He's not changing. Take him as he is, knowing what you're getting, or ban him. There's no in between. The fact that there has been so many posts of pure aids (this one included) over the last 12-24 hours is crazy. Everyone wants to diagnose a beast, or find a way to improve a beast. **** all that. Either accept who he is or ban him. There's no middle ground.......although I did like the suggestion of a bunch of short term bans when he needs to be put in time out to cool down.

Well, okay then: for you and you alone, the line is now +155.

You rebarbative rasbora!

NoSoup,

I'm about to propose a final solution for this stuff.

Would you be amenable to the idea of paying $150 to enter the contest (from you) and $145 to charity (from each of us) to relieve babs of his escrow obligations?

This would be a $50 buyout penalty and overlay into the pot. Do not feel any pressure to accept this, I'm just contemplating it as a part of a proposed solution I think everyone might be OK with.

I'll pay the buyout penalty for my aids posts earlier. Lettuce hunchcap

heh, gunna be awesome when babs comes back and is pissed he got bought out and cant compete. Robbed him of another $1500 is what hell claim!

Alobar,

Here's what I'd propose to you and the other hunchcappers.

You unban tbabs and let him make one post with his choice of either:

1) NoSoup buys him out of his escrow obligation for $250 + $50 penalty contribution to the hunchcap pool. $145 of that money (with $145 matching from me) will go to charities NoSoup and I choose. I imagine probably mental health charities. Babs is permabanned.

2) He chooses to play in the hunchcap and heads-up vs me that will start on Saturday and he will still be subject to banning from 2p2 if he violates 2p2 posting rules (will be given warnings for violations first since some of those rules may understandably not be clear to him given what has been allowed in this thread.).

Whatever he chooses in that first post, he'll be held to.

Thoughts?

I'm not exactly sure what the exchange is. I understand that I'm giving up an extra $50 to the pot compared my original buy-out proposal and I assume that tbab would accept a ban and get his money back in your proposal as well. What do I gain from paying the additional $50? Is the idea that I'm avoiding the hassle of making the exchange to him? Or is intended as some kind of good will gesture to make up for the loss of the entertainment value of tbab in the pool? Or am I preventing some kind of drama to come that I don't see coming yet?

I'm not ruling it out, I'd just like to understand what I'm getting for my $50.

The whole thing might be moot should tbab return with a changed position and not wish to accept the conditions.

How did it go from this:

to a $50 penalty?

Sounds like more Metallica flexing going on.

Banned: You don't seem to comprehend the fact that the escrow money is escrow money to the group of participants and not Alobar's or mine or anyone else's to decide about. What I'm personally OK with and what the group wants to do are not necessarily the same, and it is clear that there are participants with strong views on either side. You seem to be as much of a troll as Yak itt recently and are completely counterproductive to any actual grown-up discussion.

NoSoup: Yes, a $50 penalty because there was no provision for switching out an escrow and the escrow is for tbabs participation (which many consider complete dead money in this contest), not for tbabs or any random replacement. The $50 would be a token gesture to those who strongly want tbab to be held to the escrow. It is sort of moot now, as Bluff has already volunteered to put in that $50.

Banned is definitely just trolling now. The heel turn seemed too quick but he sold it believably for a bit.

We might also want to start to get together a list of competitors who will be entering Hunchcap II if a beast is in and if a beast is not in. For the latter we might want to call it something like HunchCRAP I to lessen the confusion.

For example, I'd be IN for Hunchcap II. I'd be OUT for Hunchcrap I

Brock,

I have those updated lists already.

Fwiw, I agree with giving him these two choices.....and no other. Either participate like an adult beast or take his money back and be banished forever. Can't Alobar work this out with him without having to unban him first though?

Also, as stated before, I'm in for round 2 with or without the beast.

El Diablo,

Fair enough. If Bluff is willing to pay it then there is no sense debating the point. If the beast accepts door #1, then I'm still shipping his $250 to his BoA or paypal and I get a hunchcrapping entry and Alobar can either ship the $145 to charity or ship it to me in order to reimburse a receipt from a mental health charity we select.

El oh El was willing to donate money to shut me up before and since you're both kicking in $145 for charity I don't mind paying the penalty. If one of you choose the Wounded Warriors or a similar organization that would be great.

ec,

"Can't Alobar work this out with him without having to unban him first though?"

Great idea, seems like it.

Not without Babs just denying that Alobar is telling the truth about what he said (pretty much regardless of what he says).

dutch translation within the image provided in honor of Yakmelk. thanks, guy!