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"So: $200 freeroll for you if I inject politics into an OOT discussion at any time prior to November 9, 2019. Ombudsmen are LKJ, Gregorio, and El D."

Would you like a judgement based on purely literal interpretation of that post, or taking into account the intent/spirit of the offer and my interpretation of the understanding/agreement in place between the two of you?

01-14-2019 , 08:29 PM

#678

Rapini

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Grunching everything since Thursday.

Has AOC been DQ'd yet? If not, how many more politics forum voters do we need to ban to get there?

01-14-2019 , 08:34 PM

#679

MEb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapini

Grunching everything since Thursday.

Has AOC been DQ'd yet? If not, how many more politics forum voters do we need to ban to get there?

Since there has already been one list posted, why don't we instead see the list of politics forum posters over-running the competition? I am curious to see how many there actually are.

01-14-2019 , 08:48 PM

#680

Howard Treesong

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Quote:

Originally Posted by El Diablo

Howard,

Would you like a judgement based on purely literal interpretation of that post, or taking into account the intent/spirit of the offer and my interpretation of the understanding/agreement in place between the two of you?

The general rule for interpreting contracts is that the literal language controls, but if the literal language is ambiguous, then context, course of dealing, and interpretation of intent come into play. That rule is fairly universal across all of USA#1 and common-law countries such as the UK, NZ, Australia and Nigeria. Eurolaws can be quite different depending where you are and I don’t know precisely where Fabian lives. I suggest that you ask this question of Fabian as well.

I entirely understand Fabian’s position here and I will of course abide y’all’s decision.

01-14-2019 , 08:48 PM

#681

NoSoup4U

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MEb

FTR, I am not a Politics forum poster and likely have over 1k lifetime OOT posts.

You have no OOT posts since 2015 until this thread.

01-14-2019 , 08:56 PM

#682

El Diablo

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Howard,

We’re not in court. So simply answer the question please.

01-14-2019 , 08:59 PM

#683

Howard Treesong

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Literal language unless that is not adequate to answer the question. In that case, fine to consider the other items you listed.

01-14-2019 , 09:00 PM

#684

MEb

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Originally Posted by NoSoup4U

You have no OOT posts since 2015 until this thread.

Are you against long time OOT posters being brought back to the forum?

01-14-2019 , 09:07 PM

#685

Andro

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The most hilarious part of all this is that LektorAJ is more of a politard than 90 % of the people he thinks should be disqualified from voting for being politards. Maybe he should disqualify himself from all involvement in the competition!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Too brown for OOT.

Last edited by Andro; 01-14-2019 at 09:15 PM.

01-14-2019 , 09:13 PM

#686

foatie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Too brown for OOT.

You won the thread. LMFAO. I'm Dying!!!!!!

01-14-2019 , 09:32 PM

#687

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by patron

This is an admission that the mid-competition rules change was wrong and should not have been made, correct? My list was meant to show that the rules change was nonsensical and disqualified many of OOT's reggiest regs, including some who were already currently participating in the competition. This obvious demonstration that the rules change was wrong, is what prompted you to then include my list of people as now eligible voters.

But that does not fix the problem. As mentioned many times, my list was not exhaustive, and there are hundreds of OOT posters who were wrongly and unfairly disqualified, even though they are eligible voters. Several of them are speaking up in this thread, even after you added my list of people. There are still hundreds of correctly eligible OOT posters who you are disqualifying.

The only fair solution is to allow all voters and then disqualify those who do not meet the 100/10 rule. Others will help you vet the voters. Opponents of specific candidates will be sure to point out their voters who do not meet the requirements.

But the current path is still immoral and wrong, and unfairly disqualifies hundreds of OOT posters, even after adding my list. Please stop the immoral voter suppression and allow OOT to vote, not half of OOT.

This is not a fair way for this to work. OOT regs shouldn't need to come begging itt to be allowed to vote, when both you and the history of Ms OOT already granted them the right to vote at the beginning of the competition. Many regs vote in just a few rounds, or just later rounds, or some vote in the voting threads and do not read every post in this lengthy discussion thread. This is another bad solution to the problem that you created.

The only fair solution is to allow all voters and then disqualify those who do not meet the 100/10 rule.

This.

The only fair solution is to allow all voters and then disqualify those who do not meet the 100/10 rule.

This. 27offsuit is agreeing that the mid-competition rules change was wrong.

The only fair solution is to allow all voters and then disqualify those who do not meet the 100/10 rule.

strong points all around but you're assuming lektor doesn't have a right-wing political bias and isn't purposely tanking this competition in order to spite people whose politics he dislikes

01-14-2019 , 09:45 PM

#688

ScreaminAsian

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i'm sure lektor thinks we're all dumb enough to believe he's making an unbiased decision, which happens to be the exact decision every right-wing troll itt wants, as they're celebrating literally dancing in the streets about licking lib tears. nobody's buying it, dude. this is a fake RIGGED contest and it's 100% on lektor for blowing it.

alexandria ocasio cortez won the greatest election victory in the history of miss oot and the whole collusion story was totally made up.

UNFAIR! SAD!

01-14-2019 , 10:03 PM

#689

Trolly McTrollson

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01-14-2019 , 10:08 PM

#690

cs3

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I wonder why greg didn't want to run Ms. OOT again??

01-14-2019 , 10:21 PM

#691

Dominic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveSax

Dormant posters should be encouraged to return and participate lest this form turn into another EDF

01-14-2019 , 10:24 PM

#692

ScreaminAsian

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can you imagine how ****ty it would be if someone who uses this website and likes sports voted for a miss oot who's an athlete? it'd be chaos. i mean, people who are fans of her from watching sports, it'd be insane, no way, you'd have to come up with some way on the fly to deal with that, right?

or is lektor only biased when it comes to politics but not sports? that's probably it, right? he's probably not interested in extreme vetting for athletes because his irrational hatred for sports teams doesn't rise to the level where he can't control his bias and chooses to tank a decade-long oot tradition out of spite.

01-14-2019 , 10:29 PM

#693

patron

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cs3

I wonder why greg didn't want to run Ms. OOT again??

It's funny because gregorio understandably didnt want to do the regular work of running the mechanics of the competition (organizing it, posting all the threads, etc), but would have excelled at making good decisions, good eligibility judgment calls, using common sense and fairness, etc.

Whereas Lektor is doing an excellent job organizing and running the mechanics of the competition, but as far as the other stuff...

01-14-2019 , 10:49 PM

#694

bundy5

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Quote:

Originally Posted by patron

Maybe because politics has largely stayed out of Miss OOT contests before?

01-14-2019 , 10:51 PM

#695

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

Maybe because politics has largely stayed out of Miss OOT contests before?

ivanka and tammy laren have both been in the contest, my friend. no voting changes were made on the fly to kneecap them. aoc deserves equal treatment

01-14-2019 , 11:04 PM

#696

bundy5

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

ivanka and tammy laren have both been in the contest, my friend. no voting changes were made on the fly to kneecap them. aoc deserves equal treatment

I did say largely

01-14-2019 , 11:20 PM

#697

patron

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSoup4U

You have no OOT posts since 2015 until this thread.

So? Your implication is really really stupid. If mmbt0ne came back and wanted to vote, should he be allowed to? If killa decided he wanted to vote, should he be allowed to?

If your answer is No, then your perspective is completely warped, ahistorical, against common sense, anti-OOT, and anti-Ms OOT.

01-14-2019 , 11:20 PM

#698

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

I did say largely

and aoc is the only one this year so wtf are you even saying

here's what real collusion would look like: tons of nominations for different candidates, flooding the pool of contestants making the contest unplayable due to being surrounded by political people who were only put up as a goof

here's the fake collusion the right wing trolls are complaining about: support for one candidate who's hot and great and really relevant to 2018