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07-22-2012 , 07:44 PM
5 is like a downhill trip ending on a precipice, 6 is just free fall.
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07-22-2012 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NLSoldier
chicks dig bad boys. mass murders are pretty much as bad as you can get. not surprising that they end up attracting a ton of chicks.
Again, we're talking degrees. A lot of women like a little streak of bad boy in their boy. The ones who like a homicidal streak are much fewer, and much crazier.
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07-22-2012 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Subpar=(
You should watch Rampage, it's on Netflix.
just watched this, in addition to the armor the explosives used in the movie were jugs of liquid wired together, the same as in perps apartment. Maybe this movie was another inspiration.
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07-22-2012 , 08:31 PM
not sure if this has been posted yet, but this article comprehensively sums everything up pretty well:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...N2W_print.html

-he potentially could have gotten away posing as a SWAT team member
-his gun jammed pretty quickly (we knew this before) and he had to switch to the glock
-the article details all the explosives found in his apartment... holy ****.
-looks like there may have been a timer in a control box rigged to blow that failed (that's karak speculation based on other stuff in the article)
-lots of batman stuff posted around his apartment
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07-22-2012 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
We're either getting close too or are well past hi-jack territory here. Do people feel like this back and forth with Holliday is getting anywhere or are both sides just repeating themselves?
I am enjoying reading through the thoughtful responses and feel i'm gaining some insight.

I didn't expect the aha moment over my avatar, and I would like to post a serious get to the point reply to gansta, but it'll take a bit to write out and I'm pretty busy atm.
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07-22-2012 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Without a doubt. A lot of really screwed up/violent guys end up with prison groupies and get married.

So bizarre. How emotionally damaged do you need to be yourself to get involved with a mass murderer?
haha ya i was bored reading the wiki page of the menendez brothers and saw one of them got married to some bitch while incarcertated for life..makes a lot of sense.
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07-22-2012 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Have you seen season 5?
Yes.
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07-22-2012 , 11:13 PM
Well if you liked S5, I suppose S6 might be tolerable. The Dexter hatefest in OOTV could use your positivity.
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07-22-2012 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NLSoldier
chicks dig bad boys. mass murders are pretty much as bad as you can get. not surprising that they end up attracting a ton of chicks.
There is a bit more to it than this. If trauma is not fully processed, the body/mind will subconsciously put itself in situations to deal with it. Think of the sexual assault victim who becomes a stripper/prostitute or someone who was physically abused becoming the abuser later in life or attracted to someone who is physically abusive themselves.


Regarding the shooting: The way I see it people who commit these acts are either 1) a psychopath (a defect) or 2) troubled/traumatized in some way and have spiraled out of control to the point where they are capable of doing this. No healthy human being is capable of this.

With that said, is anybody else disappointed that the reaction to stuff like this is to restrict access often to the point of overreaction? For example, gun control and questioning violence in movies and videogames. For problem gambling, it's ban all gambling and for drinking problems, it's prohibition. But hardly anyone ever talks about the need to empower the individual. Like nobody is talking about how we need to think about ways for people to deal with emotional/mental issues before they get to a point where they can do things like this. Of course, I realize restricting access is the most simple solution and being practical I'm not saying it shouldn't be implemented to a certain degree but it's just that it seems that's the only solution for a lot of people.
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07-22-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
There is a bit more to it than this. If trauma is not fully processed, the body/mind will subconsciously put itself in situations to deal with it. Think of the sexual assault victim who becomes a stripper/prostitute or someone who was physically abused becoming the abuser later in life or attracted to someone who is physically abusive themselves.


Regarding the shooting: The way I see it people who commit these acts are either 1) a psychopath (a defect) or 2) troubled/traumatized in some way and have spiraled out of control to the point where they are capable of doing this. No healthy human being is capable of this.

With that said, is anybody else disappointed that the reaction to stuff like this is to restrict access often to the point of overreaction? For example, gun control and questioning violence in movies and videogames. For problem gambling, it's ban all gambling and for drinking problems, it's prohibition. But hardly anyone ever talks about the need to empower the individual. Like nobody is talking about how we need to think about ways for people to deal with emotional/mental issues before they get to a point where they can do things like this. Of course, I realize restricting access is the most simple solution and being practical I'm not saying it shouldn't be implemented to a certain degree but it's just that it seems that's the only solution for a lot of people.
Realizing that this may have been prevented if the shooter had been given psychiatric help (long before he sought access to the weapons) takes a level of compassion most of the masses do not posses. People's instincts are punitive; they want blood for blood, not to look at the perpetrator as the possible victim of his own illness.

This is just my opinion, but I think we as a nation are still at least a decade away from being able to have serious, productive discourse about treatment and prevention, because the truth is that we live right now in a time and place in which a decent percentage of the population doesn't really even acknowledge that such illnesses exist.
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07-23-2012 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
not sure if this has been posted yet, but this article comprehensively sums everything up pretty well:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...N2W_print.html

-he potentially could have gotten away posing as a SWAT team member
-his gun jammed pretty quickly (we knew this before) and he had to switch to the glock
-the article details all the explosives found in his apartment... holy ****.
-looks like there may have been a timer in a control box rigged to blow that failed (that's karak speculation based on other stuff in the article)
-lots of batman stuff posted around his apartment
so he geared up in full body armor and then didn't even bother to wear a tac vest or something similar that would hold 5+ AR mags, that's strange. i don't see any details about the explosives in that article, did you read about them somewhere else i'd be curious to see what he came up?
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07-23-2012 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleebrog
Inglourious Basterds has a scene where people are trapped in a movie theater and shot until their bodies become liquid. Good flick.
Yeah but they deserved it.
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07-23-2012 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheel Gunner
just watched this, in addition to the armor the explosives used in the movie were jugs of liquid wired together, the same as in perps apartment. Maybe this movie was another inspiration.
This post got my curiously going so I just watched the movie Rampage.

I'd lay 100 to 1 that this sick **** watched that movie. There are way too many similarities.
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07-23-2012 , 01:14 AM
I think If there was ever a character that would have a harmful influence on a child it probably would be the joker imo
Heath ledger really played him great. I actually did some research and it was said that Ledger isolated himself in a hotel room for 1 month to nail down the Joker's persona
He was so good that the first thing that came to my mind when estfandiari was hugging the cash was how sick it would be if he pulled a Joker.
I would say a depressed person would be affected in someway as well
Another thing that I don't get is how the suspect just gave himself in
Maybe he is planning an escape
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07-23-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
This avoids answering if you think he would have still killed lots of people without the Batman series.
Having thought it over, I'm having second thoughts about the certainty of a psychic break or being schizophrenic. I know you're nearly a shrink, but you haven't actually interviewed him nor I presume seen a real psychological profile of him. Well me either, so I'll just take a best guess as well. I know nearly nothing about schizophrenia--would months of planning and preparing for something like this while maintaining a sane veneer not be unusual at least?

I'm thinking he's the kind of crazy who gets swept up by a charasmatic figure and inspired to do things he would never have otherwise conceived of. Like a Manson or Koresh follower, only in this case his mentor was Heath Ledger's character. Basically an almost normal guy who really thought the Joker's philosophizing made a lot of sense, took it all to heart and yadda, yadda, yadda must teach society a lesson and scare and kill people. Probably looked at 2+2 caliber folks with Joker icons and thought they were a bunch of phonies who didn't really "get it" as deeply as he did. It was a pretty compelling character, after all. In the end, basically still a nut who thought he was the Joker, if metaphorically.

So no, no mass killing without TDK. Just a theory and I'll concede it's at least *slightly* possible that I'm wrong.
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07-23-2012 , 01:47 AM
If not the Joker then he would have prob latched on to some other char in a movie.

I don't think it mattered what triggered it. He was gonna do something any way.
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07-23-2012 , 02:57 AM
Should we blame the Bible for the millions of deaths it has "caused"? If you want something glorifying violence, man, the Old Testament is pretty brutal, and a wrathful God is responsible for a lot of it.

People who want to partake in war/genocide/murder/etc. never have a lack of ideological excuses to make for their actions.
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07-23-2012 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Should we blame the Bible for the millions of deaths it has "caused"?
Absolutely. Religion #1 cause of deaths imo

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07-23-2012 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by New Kid
That movie was disgusting and I'd put it in the same softcore gore-porn category as TDK.
Was it really hard to deduce that a Tarantino film about killing Nazis was going to be extremely violent? Which leads to the question of why you saw this "disgusting" film in the first place.
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07-23-2012 , 04:04 AM
I'm surprised how nobody has mentioned how much this psycho looks and sounds like Tom Dwan.



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07-23-2012 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodney21a
I'm surprised how nobody has mentioned how much this psycho looks and sounds like Tom Dwan.
Probably because it's not relevant to anything?
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07-23-2012 , 04:29 AM
Never tried one but I'd always heard those huge capacity magazines jammed like crazy, fortunate that it did here if what they're saying is true. We didn't even used to pack our regular clips quite full because of that.

Maybe "fortunate" isn't quite the word with 12 dead and 58 wounded, just saying this seems like it could have been much worse had this not been some kid wannabe comic character. Not that a Glock can't kill a lot of people, but in a crowded theater I'd rather the bad guy have that than a AR-15, or god forbid an AK.

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07-23-2012 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Was it really hard to deduce that a Tarantino film about killing Nazis was going to be extremely violent? Which leads to the question of why you saw this "disgusting" film in the first place.
The title doesn't really lend itself to that description, and I saw it during a date on which I didn't choose the film. I hate Tanantino's movies for the very reason that I find his use of gratuitous violence revolting, and the size of his fanbase troubles me.

Good point though.
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07-23-2012 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mexibastardhawk
This is the part that confuses me. Where does an unemployed student get the thousands and thousands of dollars to buy all of the equipment he had? And the armor he had sounds pretty specialized. Is it even commonly available for civilian purchase?
As a PhD student, he likely made money from his program. When I was in graduate school for a masters, my program was well funded and pretty much every student was paid as a graduate assistant.
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07-23-2012 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodney21a
I'm surprised how nobody has mentioned how much this psycho looks and sounds like Tom Dwan.
It was mentioned in the other thread.

Thought I heard on the news that he had some kind of paid position working with the medical staff while getting his PhD.....or something like that.
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