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10-02-2017 , 04:07 PM
they say he was wealthy. he probably used to his wealth to build up that big gun collection, without the intention of mass murder.

maybe he slowly, or maybe not that slowly, lost his retirement money gambling in vegas. then he lost his mind and went ballistic.
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10-02-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WateryBoil
they say he was wealthy. he probably used to his wealth to build up that big gun collection, without the intention of mass murder.

maybe he slowly, or maybe not that slowly, lost his retirement money gambling in vegas. then he lost his mind and went ballistic.
Then just kill yourself. I don't see how an accountant could be that wealthy to play $100 hand VP.
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10-02-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
Shooter supposedly played $100/hand video poker as a "pro"

Dan Bilzerian based on his instagram was there and a girl in front of him took a direct shot to the head
Source for vid poker stuff? I don't care about blizerian trying to get IG views.
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10-02-2017 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chopstick
This. A million times this.

Choosing the "lock the thread" approach instead of the "ban the people ruining the thread" approach is absolutely moronic. All it does is guarantee you will always be locking these threads since you never get rid of the actual problem, which is the people who are ruining the threads.

It blows my mind that people have difficulty understanding this concept.

The politards haven't shown up in force yet but they'll be here soon enough, it is inevitable. They always show up, and the thread always gets locked. Then the exact same thing happens next time because of the moronic "lock the thread" approach being chosen over "ban those ****ers".
I will ban and exile all posters from thread when necessary. Please PM for faster service. Simple.
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10-02-2017 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RunninCM
Then just kill yourself. I don't see how an accountant could be that wealthy to play $100 hand VP.

He probably couldnt afford it, thats the point. he played $100 a hand only because he was blasting away all his retirement money. you would be surprised what a frugal person could save over a lifetime.

then he wanted revenge for them taking his savings. i imagine when you have snapped like that he didnt care if he was killing civilians or casino executives he just wanted revenge on "vegas"
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10-02-2017 , 04:24 PM

“He was a wealthy guy playing video poker … on cruises,” Eric Paddock told the news outlet, adding he once won $40,000 on a slot machine. “He played high-stakes video poker to be able to stay at home in the casino.”

According NBC News, a casino executive with access to Paddock’s Multiple Currency Transaction Reports said the shooting suspect gambled over $10,000 per day on “multiple occasions” at Las Vegas casinos. In some cases, those amounts rose to upwards of $20,000-$30,000.
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10-02-2017 , 04:25 PM
I saw a CNN headline that this guy was a "pro" poker player so I assumed he could be a 2p2 poster and came here to check. "Video" poker though... This is awful. Agree with the comments above. This guy isn't likely that wealthy living in a retirement community in Mesquite and as a retired accountant that he could have afforded to play $100 a hand video poker without going busto. Whether that had any influence on his motivations though, who knows, tough to see the logical link between losing all your money and killing scores of innocent people who had nothing to do with it in revenge.
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10-02-2017 , 04:41 PM
I believe there is a lot of disinformation (duh).

If he is a "professional" video poker player, he has to be going for the royal flush. That is the only way to get to the 99% pay-out. I think that costs 5x the unit bet.

Those machines are also in the high-limit areas of a casino. Anybody like that would be extremely well known to hundreds of casino people in every hotel. A $100+ slot player would get comped for everything. Room, food, show, etc. Anybody who wins $40k+ routinely (which the story claims) is losing thousands every other day.

I still hold to him being a total degenerate who came to the end of the road.

Perhaps we will never know though...
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10-02-2017 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6, WB:





Not sure what media you guys have been watching. Mainstream media in America LOVES to demonize gambling/gamblers!
I feel like those two have been smoking that crack cocaine. WTF?
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10-02-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
you're just noticing a man with common sense.
None of them have common sense. They're hiding behind a clear plastic barrier that bullets will zing through.
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10-02-2017 , 04:55 PM
Speculating on these things before more info is available always makes me feel like an *******, but I'm struggling to find anything other than 'guy who went busto goes postal' as a plausible explanation.

I guess legitimate mental illness could also be responsible.

Historically speaking though, I feel like guys who go to this much effort to plan a major attack almost always leave some type of writing or manifesto behind. Surprised something like that hasn't already leaked out to the press tbh.
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10-02-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
I also think it's odd he waited until the very end of the festival.
Perhaps he wanted to make sure people got their money’s worth for their tickets.
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10-02-2017 , 05:04 PM
They say on tv he made millions in real estate and owned a plane in Texas.
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10-02-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
There is no such thing (I think) as a long-term video poker player.
There is such a thing as a professional video poker player, although I think the opportunities have been decreasing as casinos have gotten smarter about comps. Bob Dancer is one of the more well-known and Mason Malmuth has written a book about it. I don't think you can be a pro video poker player and spend the majority of your time in Nevada.

If you spend a lot of time in casinos, it's worth knowing what +EV video poker opportunities are out there, especially if you are reasonably close to moving up tiers at a player club.
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10-02-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
They say on tv he made millions in real estate and owned a plane in Texas.
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10-02-2017 , 05:24 PM
We may never know but I don't think his motive was related to losing money to the casinos. IMO This seems to have been planned out far in advance and not just a spur of the moment revenge on the casino. (Why shoot up a concert and not the casino?)
He may have chosen this venue due to the ease with which he could be able to get a room facing the concert and the ease at which one can bring multiple bags/suitcases up to the room without raising suspicion and an advantageous isolated position to attack a large group of people from.

Sporting events/most other concert venues etc... one would never be able to get that amount of weapons in place and be able to attack for such a long period of time without interference.
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10-02-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I'm starting to think our national news media is insensitive. They don't need to keep showing the scene of people getting shot at and running for their lives over and over again.
It's always fascinating how many people are recording on their phones during incidents like this.
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10-02-2017 , 06:20 PM
It was a concert. Probably lots of people recording, they just kept going.
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10-02-2017 , 07:03 PM
Has anyone said when he made his room reservations at MB?
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10-02-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
Aside from the shooter, the most enraging toolbag in all of this is the ******* standing up with his arms open yelling "Come and get some you ****ing pussy!!1!.." while literally dozens of people are around him cowering on the ground.

Just a ****ing ******* that needs a serious beating. I hope he is identified.
Pretty sure that was Dids
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10-02-2017 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
It's always fascinating how many people are recording on their phones during incidents like this.
So many people walking/jogging/crouching with drinks, too.

They've found ingredients for a bomb in his vehicle, apparently.
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10-02-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aislephive
It's not. Yeah, semantics, but terrorism involves some kind of political motive. A mentally ill person shooting up a concert isn't the same thing as ISIS doing so even if the death toll ends up the same.

That said, his motives aren't yet known. I'm sure we'll have a better picture within a few days. Unfortunately people are going to speculate away in the meantime.
Be sure to contact your nevada lawmakers to let them know:

http://codes.findlaw.com/nv/title-15...-202-4415.html

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1. “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:

(a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;  or

(b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:

(1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services;  or

(2) Any natural resource or the environment.

2. As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.
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10-02-2017 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
I believe there is a lot of disinformation (duh).

If he is a "professional" video poker player, he has to be going for the royal flush. That is the only way to get to the 99% pay-out. I think that costs 5x the unit bet.

Those machines are also in the high-limit areas of a casino. Anybody like that would be extremely well known to hundreds of casino people in every hotel. A $100+ slot player would get comped for everything. Room, food, show, etc. Anybody who wins $40k+ routinely (which the story claims) is losing thousands every other day.

I still hold to him being a total degenerate who came to the end of the road.

Perhaps we will never know though...
Lol. Pros, going for royals!
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10-02-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
Lol. Pros, going for royals!
+1

Never allow yourself to be constrained by an established body of knowledge. Or you might need an ESA--or a zoo full of them.
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10-02-2017 , 07:57 PM
I know when I take professional shots at VP, I avoid royals like the plague.

My money is on him degen-ing away his $ and/or his gf left him
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