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03-19-2014 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LolZombies
Hi Gigi. Yeah, i read that yesterday. Its well written but there are a lot of holes in that theory imo
This probably isn't the place, but its a big pet peeve of mine, so I'll point out that its actually not well written.

Aside from ignoring various pieces of evidence that we have he switches between two theories to make his points - even though the two theories contradict themselves. At best its poor writing and at worst its a dishonest attempt to make a name for himself.

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And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent.
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Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.
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That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
So we go from the crew disabling the communication system, to the fire disabling them before the crew knew it, back to the crew disabling them.

Not to mention, he skips over the fact that in the examples he gave we heard from the crews about the problem.

He also uses ridiculous language like:

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There is no doubt in my mind.
No doubt!

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You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.
Pointless!
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03-19-2014 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
Well very sorry I missed that it was shared. And yeah it's not full of alien theories so might not interest everyone on here.
Meh, this thread has had a significant amount of good contributions talking about evidence and asking good questions about how planes work related to that evidence.

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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
As a fellow pilot I think he at least has the decency to feel shamed by the allegations made towards a colleague that might be completely based on false assumptions.
I think thats really the only worthwhile point in the article. I do agree that we don't know enough to draw conclusions about the pilots. On the flip side, I don't think saying its a possibility that the pilots were involved is drawing those conclusions.

Edit: I also found his talking about the radar returns interesting. Definitely seems possible.

Last edited by jjshabado; 03-19-2014 at 08:02 AM.
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03-19-2014 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
This probably isn't the place, but its a big pet peeve of mine, so I'll point out that its actually not well written.

Aside from ignoring various pieces of evidence that we have he switches between two theories to make his points - even though the two theories contradict themselves. At best its poor writing and at worst its a dishonest attempt to make a name for himself.

For example:



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So we go from the crew disabling the communication system, to the fire disabling them before the crew knew it, back to the crew disabling them.

Not to mention, he skips over the fact that in the examples he gave we heard from the crews about the problem.

He also uses ridiculous language like:



No doubt!



Pointless!

To be honest I agree with the not well written part, nevertheless I think he has some of the basics very very right like I mentioned in my previous reply.
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03-19-2014 , 07:56 AM
How realistic is it that there may be a country that knows where the plane is or tracked it down on their radar, but are not going to come forward due to political or military reasons? For example Indian airspace is supposed to be heavily controlled and monitored, so it would be an embarrassment and a threat to future national security to admit that a 777 flew through their airspace completely unnoticed.
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03-19-2014 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Meh, this thread has had a significant amount of good contributions talking about evidence and asking good questions about how planes work related to that evidence.



I think thats really the only worthwhile point in the article. I do agree that we don't know enough to draw conclusions about the pilots. On the flip side, I don't think saying its a possibility that the pilots were involved is drawing those conclusions.
I have actually been following this thread for the past few days and did enjoy it, but missing a previous share and getting a reply like that (ban etc) kind of throws me off my seat and doesn't quite put things in perspective for me when reading through all the not so sensible posts here.
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03-19-2014 , 08:02 AM
Fair enough, we were probably a bit harsh.

Although it was probably the 5th time it was posted...
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03-19-2014 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
I have actually been following this thread for the past few days and did enjoy it, but missing a previous share and getting a reply like that (ban etc) kind of throws me off my seat and doesn't quite put things in perspective for me when reading through all the not so sensible posts here.
You got that response because it had been shared and talked about so many times that there were also several posts complaining about people posting without reading the thread and suggesting the next person to share that article should get banned.

It seems next to impossible to have been following the thread and somehow miss that it's been posted and discussed many times.
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03-19-2014 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
How realistic is it that there may be a country that knows where the plane is or tracked it down on their radar, but are not going to come forward due to political or military reasons? For example Indian airspace is supposed to be heavily controlled and monitored, so it would be an embarrassment and a threat to future national security to admit that a 777 flew through their airspace completely unnoticed.
Its certainly possible but doesn't seem that likely. Like someone said earlier I could see governments not wanting to let on how good / where their radar coverage is, but you'd have to think they'd have leaked it some how by now.
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03-19-2014 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
You got that response because it had been shared and talked about so many times that there were also several posts complaining about people posting without reading the thread and suggesting the next person to share that article should get banned.

It seems next to impossible to have been following the thread and somehow miss that it's been posted and discussed many times.
No it's not, have you switched between browsing on phone and computer? Apparently the number is different for the pages, so I thought I read every single page up to now, which apparently I didn't. So your next to impossible theory is now explained as well in pure honesty and based on facts.
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03-19-2014 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Fair enough, we were probably a bit harsh.

Although it was probably the 5th time it was posted...
And that would pee me off as well Don't think I didn't slap my forehead when I noticed I missed that. But I explained in previous post I have been following it for a while now and switching to phone led me to believe I was at the last page I read on computer so an honest mistake missing some parts.

Anyways, I'm sorry to have bugged people by sharing something I thought was shareworthy but was actually posted before. Not on purpose and hopefully will not happen again.
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03-19-2014 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
Can we also propose a ban for the next person that comes in here thinking they're offering an entirely original and hilarious theory regarding aliens?
Yeah this is about 4 days overdue.

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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
I have actually been following this thread for the past few days and did enjoy it, but missing a previous share and getting a reply like that (ban etc) kind of throws me off my seat and doesn't quite put things in perspective for me when reading through all the not so sensible posts here.
If you were reading the thread last few days you need to upgrade your definition of reading. That article was posted at least 5 times and discussed extensively.

Edit: Don't mean to belabor the point, hadn't seen your replies above.
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03-19-2014 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Yeah this is about 4 days overdue.



If you were reading the thread last few days you need to upgrade your definition of reading. That article was posted at least 5 times and discussed extensively.

Edit: Don't mean to belabor the point, hadn't seen your replies above.
I can prove it by saying I saw an average of at least one reply by you on every page
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03-19-2014 , 08:24 AM
Gigi you shouldn't have to try and remember which page you are on. The web app has a "go to first unread post" button and I would be surprised if the mobile app didn't also have this feature. (On the web app it's the little arrow next to the thread title.)

Sorry for the derail I'll drop it now.
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03-19-2014 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
I think he has the basics right. Find the nearest airport. aviate, navigate, communicate (since some 'smart' people here find every plausible theory nonsense because the pilots didn't even tell ATC they had a problem/fire/emergency/whatever). And last but not least, a captain is named and shamed in various ways, for all we know this is based on loose facts and this guy might as well have been fighting for his and his passengers life.

But again... no aliens.. So should have probably not shared what I thought was decent food for thought. I'll stick with poker threads from now on, at least there you don't get the word 'ban' as a response because you can't filter through every halfarsed post about conspiracies...
I agree. And, lol, im not an alien theorist. When i first read it yesterday i was like 'wow, this actually does make simple sense' but then, i read through some critics posts about it and it made me realise, there are alot of scenarios in that theory that has to have happened at the same time and coincidentally. Also, there was just a few nagging points that didnt add up for me.
Anyways, dont get annoyed at the response here, it was posted a while back and seems to have been dismissed by the masses already so you were just unlucky.

ps.. did you try winamax and plo yet?
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03-19-2014 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
This probably isn't the place, but its a big pet peeve of mine, so I'll point out that its actually not well written.

Aside from ignoring various pieces of evidence that we have he switches between two theories to make his points - even though the two theories contradict themselves. At best its poor writing and at worst its a dishonest attempt to make a name for himself.

For example:



...



...



So we go from the crew disabling the communication system, to the fire disabling them before the crew knew it, back to the crew disabling them.

Not to mention, he skips over the fact that in the examples he gave we heard from the crews about the problem.

He also uses ridiculous language like:



No doubt!



Pointless!
lmao. Great post and very good dissection. English writing isnt my main attribute, but you make great points about it. I just meant i enjoyed reading it when i said it was well written.
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03-19-2014 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Gigi you shouldn't have to try and remember which page you are on. The web app has a "go to first unread post" button and I would be surprised if the mobile app didn't also have this feature. (On the web app it's the little arrow next to the thread title.)

Sorry for the derail I'll drop it now.
Wow either you really don't believe me, or you are trying to educate me. I am still unsure which one it is.

If you'd like to educate me, thanks first of all since I'm quite new here and could use all the help if I manage to stick around long enough . So far I enjoy the poker threads enormously. What an awesome community! About the other threads... meh, unsure as of yet. But hey, this has been the only one so far.

I'll surprise you in case you don't believe me. The phone app doesn't have that! Hence why I took my faith in the page numbers. I can't shake off the feeling you 'assumed' (which isn't a very good thing to do) I was talking a bunch of cowdoodoo when I apologised and explained my honest mistake. You had to state how 'next to impossible it was to..., and how surprised you were if....

Thanks for dropping it, but next time you do it, it would be a lot more polite to do so without questioning someones honesty or intelligence first.
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03-19-2014 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
Wow either you really don't believe me, or you are trying to educate me. I am still unsure which one it is.

If you'd like to educate me, thanks first of all since I'm quite new here and could use all the help if I manage to stick around long enough . So far I enjoy the poker threads enormously. What an awesome community! About the other threads... meh, unsure as of yet. But hey, this has been the only one so far.

I'll surprise you in case you don't believe me. The phone app doesn't have that! Hence why I took my faith in the page numbers. I can't shake off the feeling you 'assumed' (which isn't a very good thing to do) I was talking a bunch of cowdoodoo when I apologised and explained my honest mistake. You had to state how 'next to impossible it was to..., and how surprised you were if....

Thanks for dropping it, but next time you do it, it would be a lot more polite to do so without questioning someones honesty or intelligence first.
Yes the last post was trying to educate you.

In my first post I didn't question your honesty or integrity. I merely stated that it was next to impossible to be following the thread and have missed all the info about that article. Turns out you actually had not been following the thread despite thinking that you were. You made a mistake -- which is fine.

There was nothing impolite or hostile about either of my posts.
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03-19-2014 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LolZombies
I agree. And, lol, im not an alien theorist. When i first read it yesterday i was like 'wow, this actually does make simple sense' but then, i read through some critics posts about it and it made me realise, there are alot of scenarios in that theory that has to have happened at the same time and coincidentally. Also, there was just a few nagging points that didnt add up for me.
Anyways, dont get annoyed at the response here, it was posted a while back and seems to have been dismissed by the masses already so you were just unlucky.

ps.. did you try winamax and plo yet?

Well as you know I am a pilot myself, and hardly found any hard straight facts online yet. Everything thrown out in the media is vague and unexplained or openly explained as an assumption because (fill out various assumptions that are made because things were unexplained and vague ). So far the unprofessionalism is devastating. The media loves to speculate, and the hard facts get overturned by the sensationalism. I still believe it is wrong for shaming the captain or co before they DO have their facts straight. In aviation we also speak about non-normal situations. In non-normal situations things go as the name explains; not normal. So many thing that are deemed highly unlikely by the media, sensational circle jerkers and a lot of other people are very likely to me in a 'non-normal' situation. HE painted a whole scenario in this article which he shouldn't have done, but a lot of people are very determined to prove him wrong and hang on to the less-boring theories, instead of picking out the parts that actually put things a little more in perspective. The basics, like I said finding nearest airport, not contacting ATC etc.

Not too annoyed by the response, just a little surprised by the way people react and venting that surprise

To be honest YES PLO!
I actually followed your advice haha. I used play money to test it. Totally different game wow. I will actually get back to it I think, I have to say I enjoyed it. Thanks for the advice!

Back on-topic now
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03-19-2014 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Yes the last post was trying to educate you.

In my first post I didn't question your honesty or integrity. I merely stated that it was next to impossible to be following the thread and have missed all the info about that article. Turns out you actually had not been following the thread despite thinking that you were. You made a mistake -- which is fine.

There was nothing impolite or hostile about either of my posts.
Then I am sorry I interpreted it that way
Thanks about trying to educate me, at some points it's definitely needed
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03-19-2014 , 08:52 AM
I'm sure this is ******ed but is there any tsunami detection buoys in the Indian ocean? Not that they very reliable but maybe one of them picked something up if that plane hit the water close enough to one.
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03-19-2014 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
About the other threads... meh, unsure as of yet. But hey, this has been the only one so far.
This is a normal reaction to OOT threads.

btw, which phone app are you using that doesn't go to last unread automatically? Perhaps it doesn't do that if you access it via the forum... if you go to Favourites, Topics, and click threads from there, it should take you to last unread.
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03-19-2014 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
I'm sure this is ******ed but is there any tsunami detection buoys in the Indian ocean? Not that they very reliable but maybe one of them picked something up if that plane hit the water close enough to one.
A plane hitting the water is to a tsunami as a bacterium is to an elephant.
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03-19-2014 , 08:56 AM
Gigi, sorry I was rude. It had just been posted 10 times already, to the last one before you I replied something like let's ban the next one. It was getting a bit out of hand.

Which plane(s) do you fly?
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03-19-2014 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
This is a normal reaction to OOT threads.

btw, which phone app are you using that doesn't go to last unread automatically? Perhaps it doesn't do that if you access it via the forum... if you go to Favourites, Topics, and click threads from there, it should take you to last unread.
The official one, and you are right through favourites it does take you to the last post! I actually didn't know!! I went to latest-participated and there it takes you to first page. Thank you for this
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03-19-2014 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gigi_Bailey
The official one, and you are right through favourites it does take you to the last post! I actually didn't know!! I went to latest-participated and there it takes you to first page. Thank you for this
There's an option in the main settings to take you to the first new post every time you open a thread.
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