Plane Hijacked-
Flown undetected to a remote air strip. It's probably being remarked and painted. Outfitted with dirty bombs and readied to fly wherever.

Seriously, I can't see how a plane that size can just vanish without a trace.
No wreckage anywhere.
I hope I am wrong.
We can only pray they find it before something really bad happens.

Incompetence all around.

Noticing the undertitle just now (can anyone pm me link or cliffs?) -- i am pretty late to the goofball for god party

Post 1364 is where goof crushes a conspirtard

Doesn't the heat generated also go down with the amount of kerosine going down? According to the latest information, the plane used almost all of its fuel before it disappeared.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-diverted.html

I really think the above makes the most sense at this point. Assuming the 2 arc satellite data is correct, we have the 2 possibilities essentially being:

North arc: Must avoid all radar and people on ground

South arc: Extended suicide or plane flying itself due to pilots lacking oxygen

Lots of people trying to rule out south because prior suicides have been quick nose dives. Captain seems very analytical and thoughtful so in my completely unqualified psychological opinion, it'd make more sense for him to delay it while either doing a "final journey" as mentioned above or maybe just thinking about his life, etc.

Hopefully if on Australia's radar this would be easy to pick up since so few planes would be in that area.

Do you know anything about Malaysia Airlines? Modern airline, member of Oneworld, no fatal accidents for nearly 20 years. I don't put a lot of faith in it, but Skytrax rated them 1 of only 7 airlines to get their 5 star rating: http://www.airlinequality.com/StarRanking/5star.htm

You and the rest of the people 'not getting' the suicide angle, you don't have to get it. People do things others don't get whether its suicide or 1000000000000000 other things: its going to work that way.

Saying they don't go on a joyride is crazy as there have been a lot of examples of 'delayed' suicide (doing stuff knowing their going to kill them selfs while harming others in the process). The fire-extinguisher to head option is also chuck(le) worthy and getting the pilot out of the cabin is probably one of the easiest things to do.

The 45k feet is probably impossible, W0X0F has more or less agreed to that as have many other pilots (due to weight and sheer power/ability to keep climbing), it could be anything from faulty radar interpretation to a less extreme climb. It would also not be necessary to climb if you want to kill the passengers or flight crew.

This was posted pretty early on in the search: http://www.pprune.org/8369258-post2265.html

I suppose as it was continuing to fly the sun would have come up, which might give us a faint glimmer of hope of Jindalee having spotted something. I'm afraid all we'll be hearing in the next months is background info on the crew/passengers and speculation.

So that dude that said he saw it burning and fall from the sky completely made it up?

Regarding the suicide angle, maybe he didn't have the balls to just push down and crash into the ocean, but decided to fly the plane into a situation he knew there was no recovery from, i.e. the middle of the Indian ocean with not enough fuel to make it back to land.

Also, someone's about to kill themselves, which is one of the craziest things a human being is capable of. Why are we expecting them to behave logically and predictably? There is absolutely no guessing as to what is going on in someone's mind in that spot.

is it possible that the plane is stuck on a treadmill somewhere?

Yes, you can always turn the PACs back on and/or close the outflow valve and re-pressurize the plane.

Good link. Yeah, sunrise in Perth is 6:15am and last satellite was after 8, so maybe there is some chance.

This is false, and silly.


Can you (or anyone else) explain why the altitudes in question (10,000 feet safe, 25,000 feet very fast death) don't seem to jibe with mountaineering altitudes? People climb above 10,000 feet all the time, mountaineers go to 20,000 regularly, and Everest (29,028) has been climbed without oxygen. Is it just a matter of acclimation?

Probably not. He probably saw something (meteorite or whatever).

Humans as witnesses aren't very great.

Yes, I did read that book. It pre-dated 9/11 by about seven years and I remember thinking to myself that there would be no way to stop someone from doing what that pilot did, if there was no advance warning.

Faking a flight plan would be next to impossible. The Captain doesn't just come up with that on his own; the dispatcher actually files the plan. OTOH, when I was flying at ACA I used to occasionally do some maintenance flights late at night in a CRJ.



These were short, random flights to check out something on the plane that needed to be checked airborne. I would get a dispatcher to file a short flight plan with ATC, but I could have easily done it myself. Getting the plane fueled is easy, because the company had an account with the fuelers at the field and they will come out to the plane at any pilot's request. And although I'd have a ground crew to push me back and wave me off from the gate, it would be easy at that late hour (midnight) to simply power back from the gate (use reverse thrust) and then call for taxi and takeoff clearance.

All of the above would be much more difficult with a jumbo like a 747.

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It's all about acclimation. Your body actually goes through physical changes to deal with the thinner air and and those changes take time to happen.

People going to everest spend months acclimatising. Lots of them die anyway.

yeah, should have a moderated thread titled ask W0X0F about malaysian airlines disappearance without all the trolls and ******s

scrolling down and finding his avatar works fine for now, though

Just to reiterate, concerning this point: the service ceiling of a B-777 is 43,100'. (By comparison, the 757's service ceiling is 42,000 and the 767's is 43,000.) These planes will rarely, if ever, operate at these altitudes and to do so would have to be very lightly loaded. I have occasionally gone to 40,000' but that's rare too.

True. Any normal cruising altitude in the 30,000s is a sufficiently hostile environment without pressurization. There is no need to go higher.


(And on a completely unrelated note: Congrats, Yakmelk, on your number hitting for your bipolar charity. I was there and witnessed the ball drop on 15.)

Could he have lied? Maybe he's a poker player.

A few years ago I drove across the country. I stopped at a town in Wyoming that was about 12K feet up. The light changed as I was crossing the street so I jogged the last 20-30 feet or so. I was gasping for air and felt like I was gonna pass out. Happened so fast too.

Probably just balancing his whistleblower range

Most people have to acclimatise but people from cultures living permanently at high altitude have genetic adaptations that help them survive. It's actually one of the best and most clear-cut examples of natural selection in humans.

The Wiki article is a pretty interesting read.