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Malaysia Airlines 777 Disappears: 239 on board. Malaysia Airlines 777 Disappears: 239 on board.

03-15-2014 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
1. Please keep posting.
2. I realize you're an expert on flying planes and not recovering them, but it seems like just a huge longshot at this point anything will be recovered. Agreed?

To the extent that new information has been revealed/discovered (flew for 8 hours, altitude changes, satellite reception of signals indicating some kind of path), all it really seems to have done is increase the potential radius from something like "ehh, somewhere in the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam" to a huge amount of the Earth, from like the middle of Asia to the southern Indian Ocean.

If it's on land somewhere, OK, but I don't see how you can practically search the ocean for this thing now.

I feel like 'forever an unsolved mystery' has to be the big favorite now unless terrorists stake a claim, something is discovered about the crew, etc.
I hope not as I haven't been very productive since this happened. Two factors that make me hope this isn't true:
1) The southern arc has never really been investigated/searched as the sat data was just made available today.
2) Possible that the US has some crazy satellite/signals data that isn't public and in case of Air France they didn't care so much because it was known to have crashed. If it's a serious security issue, they'd have more incentive to act on it.

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Originally Posted by Riverman
Can someone explain why the pilot, if he was responsible, would care about where he crashed? Like, what is the motivation to keep flying for 7 more hours if you are on a suicide mission?
"Saving face" by making it appear to not be a suicide, having second thoughts, being seriously messed up in head and just being completely irrational are my ideas.
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03-15-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
i'm calling hoax on this whole thing. plane is in a hanger and they are filming one of those hidden camera party things.

FU MTV
I personally suspect Jimmy Kimmel

Next week on this show "So I made up this story about a plane that never even existed disappearing, and look what Fox News and CNN did with that!"
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03-15-2014 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chisness
I hope not as I haven't been very productive since this happened. Two factors that make me hope this isn't true:
1) The southern arc has never really been investigated/searched as the sat data was just made available today.
I don't know much about searching for airplanes in the ocean but what we have been told about the 'southern arc' means searching for it is like searching for a nickle on a football field or something. It's interesting but is seriously dour news for the hope you can practically find it. Knowing the plane is somewhere in some million square mile block of ocean isn't knowing much at all.
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03-15-2014 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I don't know much about searching for airplanes in the ocean but what we have been told about the 'southern arc' means searching for it is like searching for a nickle on a football field or something. It's interesting but is seriously dour news for the hope you can practically find it. Knowing the plane is somewhere in some million square mile block of ocean isn't knowing much at all.


Potentially this Australian Jindalee radar could have detected something
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03-15-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
And I don't know what airline is allowing a passenger into the cockpit during flight, but you shouldn't ever fly that airline again. This NEVER, and I mean NEVER, happens on a U.S. carrier.
Well I think it's only prohibited by law in the U.S.
A lot of other countries have company rules about entering the flight deck, but that's different from 'against the law'. As far as I know it's not allowed over U.S. territory, so foreign airlines could wait until they are outside of US terr.
In Europe you could hardly fly any airline if you'd NEVER fly the airline again because they allowed passengers on the flight deck. Not every passenger is a hijacker (thank goodness). I respect the U.S. rules and like I said in a previous reply, wouldn't allow anyone in my cockpit if they asked, but I wouldn't go as far as saying you should never fly that airline again.
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03-15-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
Its always crazy just how awful media coverage is on a subject when you know a ton about it (or are like you, an expert on the subject). It just makes me wonder do they ever cover anything well? Like all the **** I dont know about, I just have to assume they are ****ing it up, cuz ive never seen them do a good job when it is something I know about.
That's exactly how I feel. My brother-in-law is a doctor and says they always botch medical stories so I take whatever they report with a grain of salt.
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03-15-2014 , 06:42 PM
I cannot believe pilot suicide is still being discussed. The pilots loved flying. The old guy had a sim in his house and the young dude loved banging all the women that came with being a pilot. There is a 0% chance this was pilot suicide. People are only saying that because they know it happened on SilkAir, EgyptAir and they (racistly) associate Malaysian Airlines with the same kind of 3rd world nonsense. It's not anywhere near true or probable.

The "most reasonable" thing is clearly some sort of pilot trained terrorist hijacked the plane; or the current pilots were paid off, or some other force or thing took control of the plane; and it was flown to a remote, predestined location, such as the Sino-Kyrgyz border. Speculating on a reason is fruitless atm, but that's likely what *happened.*

Neither SilkAir 185 or EgyptAir 990 "flew around for 7 hours before suiciding because of a disturbed mental state." They did it as soon as they could. Watch "The Bridge" for more insight on how and why people commit suicide. You don't "fly around a plane for 7 hours" when you want to commit suicide. You plan it for years and then just do it.
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03-15-2014 , 06:45 PM
They always screw up reporting on health care policy too. It's OK.
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03-15-2014 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
So much BS itt. I think I should just stop reading. Between the conspiratards and the absolutely incorrect information (much of it promulgated by the news media) I can't seem to remove the palm of my hand from my face.
I can't speak for the rest of people itt but im not really serious when I bring up aliens. Wish I could say the same about CNN and all their stupid propaganda.

So much tilt whenever they mention Iran. Not that I listen to it but idiots that do then post that crap on the internets.
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03-15-2014 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteGoose
I cannot believe pilot suicide is still being discussed. The pilots loved flying. The old guy had a sim in his house and the young dude loved banging all the women that came with being a pilot. There is a 0% chance this was pilot suicide. People are only saying that because they know it happened on SilkAir, EgyptAir and they (racistly) associate Malaysian Airlines with the same kind of 3rd world nonsense. It's not anywhere near true or probable.

The "most reasonable" thing is clearly some sort of pilot trained terrorist hijacked the plane; or the current pilots were paid off, or some other force or thing took control of the plane; and it was flown to a remote, predestined location, such as the Sino-Kyrgyz border. Speculating on a reason is fruitless atm, but that's likely what *happened.*
Wow, you've really got it all figured out.

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You don't "fly around a plane for 7 hours" when you want to commit suicide. You plan it for years and then just do it.
Who plans a suicide for years? Or maybe you meant they think about suicide for years and then finally get the nerve.
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03-15-2014 , 07:10 PM
Also the captain did have some strong political posts on his FB page (still available) from last year. His friend was interviewed and said they met through "social/political activism". Also saw a theory that being atheist in Msia could be isolating. So surely suicide is nonzero. I think getting voice data on the final transmissions would be helpful.
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03-15-2014 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I personally suspect Jimmy Kimmel

Next week on this show "So I made up this story about a plane that never even existed disappearing, and look what Fox News and CNN did with that!"
Lol this would be amazing.
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03-15-2014 , 07:17 PM
Maybe he didn't have the balls to crash it himself so he just flew until the fuel ran out and let gravity seal his fate.
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03-15-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chisness
Also the captain did have some strong political posts on his FB page (still available) from last year. His friend was interviewed and said they met through "social/political activism". Also saw a theory that being atheist in Msia could be isolating. So surely suicide is nonzero. I think getting voice data on the final transmissions would be helpful.
being an atheist anywhere in the world is isolating. i do find it ironic that all these people are praying for an atheist pilot
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03-15-2014 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom1975
Maybe he didn't have the balls to crash it himself so he just flew until the fuel ran out and let gravity seal his fate.
"I think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming. Stop reproducing. Walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight. Brother and sisters opting out of a raw deal." – Rust Cohle
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03-15-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
being an atheist anywhere in the world is isolating. i do find it ironic that all these people are praying for an atheist pilot
I don't find that to be true at all, but that's a topic for the RGT forum.
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03-15-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
being an atheist anywhere in the world is isolating. i do find it ironic that all these people are praying for an atheist pilot
why
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03-15-2014 , 07:34 PM
Not very useful CNN breaking:

(CNN) -- [Breaking news alert, 7:12 p.m. ET]
The U.S. intelligence community is leaning toward a theory that "those in the cockpit" -- the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- were deliberately responsible for whatever happened to the commercial jetliner that vanished, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the latest thinking told CNN on Saturday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, says the Malaysian government had wanted a reason to search the homes of the pilot and co-pilot for several days, but it was only in the last 24 to 36 hours the technical analysis of the collected radar and satellite data gave Malaysian officials sufficient reason to inspect those residences.
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03-15-2014 , 07:35 PM
CNN:

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The U.S. intelligence community is leaning toward a theory that "those in the cockpit" -- the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- were deliberately responsible for whatever happened to the commercial jetliner that vanished, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the latest thinking told CNN on Saturday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, says the Malaysian government had wanted a reason to search the homes of the pilot and co-pilot for several days, but it was only in the last 24 to 36 hours the technical analysis of the collected radar and satellite data gave Malaysian officials sufficient reason to inspect those residences.
Apparently US and Malaysian authorities didn't get the memo about how unlikely pilot suicide is.

Also, was mentioned in this thread once already, but there are reports the captain's wife and kids moved out of the family home the day before the crash. That sounds like motive to me.
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03-15-2014 , 07:42 PM
If linked to the family moving out would definitely indicate suicide imo. He also seems adept enough to be able to formulate a smart plan quickly.

Am I reading too much into the CNN thing for using "pilots" plural? That seems far less probable unless they just mean both pilots are being looked at.
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03-15-2014 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Apparently US and Malaysian authorities didn't get the memo about how unlikely pilot suicide is.
We should get WhiteGoose's post spread around the world, should speed up this whole process of finding out what happened. Given how we can rule certain stuff out and he also provided 2+2 with what likely happened.
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03-15-2014 , 07:48 PM
Oh also, the final pings were about 7.5 hours into the flight, which I read early on was the amount of fuel given. Barring some possible but less likely events (adding extra fuel, landing and refueling), that would indicate flying until fuel starvation (ie crashing due to lack of fuel). Of course maybe some target was just this far away.
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03-15-2014 , 07:52 PM
I would think if it was Pilot suicide they just would have nose dived into the water or ground, not change direction and fly for a long period of time.
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03-15-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chisness
If linked to the family moving out would definitely indicate suicide imo. He also seems adept enough to be able to formulate a smart plan quickly.

Am I reading too much into the CNN thing for using "pilots" plural? That seems far less probable unless they just mean both pilots are being looked at.
Yeah I think they just mean either pilot. Agreed that both pilots being involved is super unlikely.
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03-15-2014 , 08:02 PM
Could the pilot have climbed to an elevation high enough to make everybody pass out, put the plane on auto pilot prior to him passing out, and then let the proverbial chips fall where they may so to speak?
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